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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2005, 02:52:58 PM »
Just pardon the new girl here, but I don't find a lot on the board about him except for the one thread that was pointed out to me on Filatov. Does everyone just discount him totally as a "survivor?" Too many holes in his story?

I do have to say I think he looks incredibly like "Aunt Olga" Alexandrovna.  I have photos from "The Escape of Alexei " and if I only knew how to post them I would :-/. There was also another picture posted somewhere (searching but can't for the life of me find it!) where Alexei is with Olga in a small car. Again, Olga looks like Filatov.

And I know everyone is going to flame me on this, but is it possible at all that some Romanov (not pointing fingers...) nad a illegitamate child that grew up around the IF or Palaces?  I know, I know :o but it wasn't uncommon!! I just wonder at the survivors AA or VF knowing so many details of the lives of the Romanovs~

Thanks for listening. I know how hard it is to grin and bear the newbies asking the same questions that have been hashed and rehashed...

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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2005, 09:47:30 PM »
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 I can't believe that dictionnaries and historicals books are wrong since 90 years.
I never heard of this man, Alexis of Anjou. What dictionaries and history books for 90 years?  ??? Well, maybe it's just me.
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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2005, 08:39:31 AM »
For the dictionary, I just wanted to mean that everywhere, we read that the WHOLE family died in 1918.
About Alexis, it is true that he was an unknown man in spite of being a duc. He lived in Spain, spoke french, spanish, russian, english,...And lived quietly without problems until he decided to be recognised. By the way, why the king Juan Carlos decided to accept him as duc if he lied?

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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2005, 07:48:54 PM »
Well, it couldn't be the tsar or Tsaritsa having an illegitemate child, as the DNA rules that one out. With the DNA analysis which Romanovs would have been potential parents? (Not that I think it is likely by any means, but out of simple curiosity. Could AA or VF been related to any one in the IF at all?)

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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2005, 08:17:55 PM »
Has there been DNA testing done in the Filatov case? I've tried to find more info than The Escape of Alexei but haven't.

Well, when I was thinking illegitamate children I was trying to come up with another idea concerning what I find to be such resemblance of VF to "Aunt" Olga A. Also his knowledge of IF and his "higher" education considering he grew up in a very poor household of peasants. I was trying to think another way around the fact that he was Alexei, because I don't believe he was....yet so many coincidences....

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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2005, 08:29:19 PM »
MariaR, welcome! Yes, I know what you mean about Filatov and his clan, they do have an uncanny resemblance to some of the Romanovs. I don't know enough about the case to add too much to this discussion, but there is a Filatov thread that already exists:

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=loonies;action=display;num=1089372646;start=0#0

Georgiy, I don't know if any of the Filatovs' DNA was ever tested, I don't think so, but AA's DNA was definitely excluded from having any relationship whatsoever to the IF.

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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2005, 09:06:03 PM »
Helen

Thanks for your reply. I know why I missed that post~spelling visaly/visali~thanks for bringing that to my attention.I guess I"m one who sees the resemblance between them, but some good points were brought out on that thread.
I think VF's claim (or that of his children) is just as valid as AA's claim(which I think after the DNA should settle it) and wonder why his claim isn't talked about so much here on the forum.  I highly doubt Alexei could survive, but truth is stranger than fiction and as Alice says it's "curiouser and curiouser". I think it's very likely he would live a life of quiet obscurity. Then there is the whole hemophilia or not question.

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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2005, 09:10:48 PM »
MariaR, there is another Alexei claimant who had a blood disorder other than hemophilia, his name is Heino Tammet. If you are interested, here is a thread on him:

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=loonies;action=display;num=1094856918;start=0#0

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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2005, 09:45:59 PM »
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I do have to say I think he looks incredibly like "Aunt Olga" Alexandrovna.  I have photos from "The Escape of Alexei " and if I only knew how to post them I would .

yes, i do have that book too, and at first there doesnt seem to be a resemblance...he doesnt look as handsome as Alexei..  ;)
But on second thought there is a resemblance!
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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #69 on: January 24, 2005, 09:47:17 PM »
 ???Yes, the DNA proved Filatov wrong i beleive, but dont you ll think its harder to try to be Alexei because you had to have hemophilia to try and fool people at first?
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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2005, 06:50:28 PM »
i think its possible that he suvived despite his hemophilia, 'cuz he was burnt right? if you cut your self cant u just burn something to stop the bleeding? not a doctor just a kid so dont email me if i'm wrong.
Some one in my class said that if you cut your self badly u have to burn it if you cant stop the bleeding, so since alexei was shot in the ear we would most likely bleed out, but he also was burnt by acid so it would burn the wounds and stop the bleeding.
the only thing that would make this story not plausible is that if he had internal bleeding for like the fall after he was shot or he was shot more then once.
is that true or is it just plausible

P.S. dont mail me if i spelt something wrong.

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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2005, 08:24:03 PM »
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I think I read on a website somewhere that Professor Avdonin found two more skeletons in another grave . . . but I haven't heard anything more. Probably just a rumour.
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The skeletons found  were not the missing children of Nicholas II.

As for the speculation that Alexei survived the execution, let me remind you,   some of the early investigators believed the execution was staged.  If this is in fact the case,  then Alexei and the others may have escaped, therefore, he suffered no injuries as reported so vividly by Penny in the book THE FATE OF THE ROMANOVS.

As for  his life span, if he had survive,  he probably wouldn't have lived past his twenties.  I think that was about the longest someone with hemophilia lived in that time period.  

Since Alexei doesn't appear to have surfaced and cried out"  "Here I am.  I am alive.  I am the son of Nicholas II,"  then this leaves us in the dark to his fate.  I assume he may have just moved in with the masses and vanished forever to some unknown fate.

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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #72 on: February 07, 2005, 08:29:06 PM »
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This was a member of the Cheka, G.I. Sukhorukov, who was assigned to go help dispose of the corpses of the Royal Family the next morning. On April 3, 1928 his memoir:... "It was necessary to begin digging up the corpses (after the attempt to burn them the previous night)...the first thing we came across was the leg of the last Nicholas.  He was removed successfully, and then all the others. To be precise, it can be said that everybody was naked, except for the heir, who had on a sailor shirt but no trousers."


No, this is not true.  They did not attempt to burn the bodies the previous night.  The bones found in the grave do not show evidence of burning by fire.

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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2005, 07:16:36 AM »
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i think its possible that he suvived despite his hemophilia, 'cuz he was burnt right? if you cut your self cant u just burn something to stop the bleeding? not a doctor just a kid so dont email me if i'm wrong.
Some one in my class said that if you cut your self badly u have to burn it if you cant stop the bleeding, so since alexei was shot in the ear we would most likely bleed out, but he also was burnt by acid so it would burn the wounds and stop the bleeding.
the only thing that would make this story not plausible is that if he had internal bleeding for like the fall after he was shot or he was shot more then once.
is that true or is it just plausible

P.S. dont mail me if i spelt something wrong.


Yes, certain wounds require cauterization to stop bleeding, but the scenario with Alexis is vastly different than that of a situation that would require cauteriztion (the burning of the skin to prevent bleeding).  A gun shot in the head is a gun shot in the head and cauterizing is not going to help the fact that the poor boys brains were blown out.  If the testimony is accurate, and Alexis was shot in the head, then he didn't leave that room alive (at the very most, he left the room brain dead).  Also, acid is not used for cauterizing and would not have the same effect as the tools used by doctors to cauterize (in layman's terms, a hot poker).  Acid destroys, melts away the skin.  It's not something that would cut off blood vessels the way cauterizing will.

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Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich
« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2005, 09:38:05 AM »
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Since Alexei doesn't appear to have surfaced and cried out"  "Here I am.  I am alive.  I am the son of Nicholas II," ...


Bear, where have you been? Of course he did. There have been several Alexei claimants, most notable ones: Michael Golenewski (sp?), Heino Tammet, etc...