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Baron Rozen Family
« on: February 13, 2005, 11:21:59 AM »
I am looking for the descendants of the Baron Rozen
Roman Romanovich, who was the Ambassador of Russian in Japan before the Russo-Japanese War.
I know that he has died in New-York after revolution.
Maybe somebody knows about his relatives.
Thank you very much in advance

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Re: Baron Rozen Family
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2005, 12:55:25 PM »
Baron Roman Romanovich Rosen was born in 1847 and died in NY in 1922 after falling under a bus. He was the son of Baron Roman Romanovich b.1790 and Elizaveta Sulkhanov.

Roman had a brother, Baron Victor Romanovich Rosen b. Feb 21, 1849 d. Jan 10, 1908. He was an academician. His area of expertise was "Arab classical poetry" and the "history of the culture of the Muslim-Christian East."

If Roman had a wife she isn't mentioned. Victor's wife is only mentioned in passing, and not by name. His widow apparently bequeathed his library (3575 titles) to the University in St. Petersburg.

Source: http://www.vgd.ru/R/rozen.htm

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Re: Baron Rozen Family
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2005, 01:22:08 PM »
Roman had the wife and daughter .
She was about 30 years old at the days of revolution.

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Re: Baron Rozen Family
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2005, 10:36:51 PM »
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Baron Roman Romanovich Rosen was born in 1847 and died in NY in 1922 after falling under a bus.


According to his two volume memoirs, the publisher (Alfred Knoff) noted inside vol I of Forty Years of Diplomacy that Baron Rosen died as a result of a car accident (before the tomes were revized for publication in 1922).


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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2005, 11:50:52 PM »
Could not one presume that both car and bus refer to "motorized vehicle"? Both imply a fatal traffic accident. What difference the wheels he must have fallen under ?
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2005, 12:20:21 AM »
The terminology used should be specific, otherwise we have reasonable doubt and problems of interpretation.

While both types of transport essentially perform similar functions, the manner of death and consequent injury sustained to the body are not. Yet the final outcome is the same.


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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2005, 01:15:33 AM »
And what difference would any of this make ? As you said, final outcome  "old man dies in motor accident".  I suppose NYC  does make it a bit Plebian, but nonetheless, victim of street traffic.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2005, 04:29:12 AM »
It might have made a difference to his family. Most like to to know "how a person died."

In N.Y. the family might want to know whether to sue the bus company or the driver of the approaching car. If he was the driver of the car and totaled that, then it becomes a moot point.

Such facts are of course necessary for the police who attend the scene of the accident, in the interests of record keeping and statistics.

Their documentation becomes useful when structural improvements are under consideration by City Hall or what ever planning authority, as to how to prevent similar accidents from re-occuring.

Therefore how Baron Rosen died becomes an important piece of information for quite a few citizens of N.Y.


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Re: Baron Rozen Family
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2005, 08:35:10 AM »
Baron Rosen died because of pneumonia

Thre was a car accident (no bus but a taxi driver hit him), and Rosen broke his leg.

And just after the accident Baron Rosen was taken ill with pneumonia  ... in a 2 weeks he died.

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2005, 02:41:34 AM »
Baron Rosen's pneumonia may be what killed him in the end, but the vehicular accident may have contributed to his demise. The two week period may be significant here. ;)


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Re: Baron Rozen Family
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2005, 09:30:29 PM »
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I am looking for the descendants of the Baron Rozen
Roman Romanovich, who was the Ambassador of Russian in Japan before the Russo-Japanese War.
I know that he has died in New-York after revolution.
Maybe somebody knows about his relatives.
Thank you very much in advance


Hikarushka,

Ecli isto vam interneso po povodu "von Rozen", please contact my wife.  She can speak to this directly.

But please note it was von Rozen, officially.

I pochemu vi tak dolgo dzec malchitii?

Regards,

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Re: Baron Rozen Family
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2005, 10:39:25 PM »
Spasibo Bolyshoe Gromadnoe

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Re: Baron Rozen Family
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2005, 01:39:34 PM »
izvestno, 4to po rezultatam Potsmurskogo mirnogo dogovora
Vitte bil pogalovan grafskii titul. A kak bil nagragden baron rosen?
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Re: Baron Rozen Family
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2005, 03:01:02 PM »
Sergey , in order to know it , you must write ot the State Archive of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs at Serpukhovskaya street in Moscow.
They had to have the personal file of Baron Rozen where all information about his medals should be written.