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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #150 on: December 15, 2012, 07:41:58 AM »
Another portrait of Helen :



Whole photo :

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #151 on: April 18, 2013, 09:43:07 AM »
Part of the marriage contract between Princess Helena and Prince Ioann:




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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #152 on: June 02, 2013, 01:36:27 PM »
Some more information about Helena and her life in Russia:

She was very much loved by her Russian family.She guarded her husband's younger siblings,she often walked with her sister in law Tatiana,organized hot-chocolate "parties" for his younger siblings George and Vera,often corresponded with "Aunt Olga",Ioann's aunt.She was called "чародейка"(enchantress) because of her influence over her husbands family.

As a wife of the oldest son of this branch she was expected to take many duties.As she once said,she has passed the exam set by her mother in law Grand Duchess Elizaveta Mavrikievna and her ladies in waiting by successfully organizing Christmas charity for the poor kids.Later,more and more duties just followed.

Soon after she married Balkan wars started in her native Serbia.She asked for permission from her father King Peter I and from the Emperor Nicholas II to get back to Serbia and start leading medical detachment as a nurse.She got 200 rubles for that detachment from her father in law,Grand Duke Konstantine and everyone of the Konstantinovichi clan came to say goodbye at the train station.

She stayed with her medical detachment in Serbia not just during the first,but also during second Balkan war.One of the soldiers said that during the war she followed her father everywhere on the war line and worked from dawn 'til late in the evening.

It is interesting that she was followed everywhere in her journey by her lady in waiting-Princess Scherbatova,who also worked as hard and also as a nurse.I am not sure,but probably her lady in waiting was Princess Alexandra Alexeevna Scherbatova(1881-1920),daughter of Prince Alexei Scherbatov and Countess Maria Stroganova.

When Helena returned to Russia she took several nurse courses and officially became a nurse in the First Imperial Army,alongside Grand Duchess Maria Pavlona-younger and followed the Army everywhere.But,because of the Imperial army retreat,they were forced to close the hospital and return to Sankt Peterburg.

She often corresponded with her husband in French and called him "my sweet Prince Jean" and after his death she never thought of starting another kind of relationship.

It is interesting that when the revolution came,she managed to safely help almost everyone who served her,from her German maid Johanna to S.N.Smirnov,who was the manager of the Pavlovsk estate...

During the exile,she choose firstly to live in Serbia because there lived the "people she could still trust".She lived there only until her father's death in 1921 and due to the difficult relationship with her younger brother-King Alexander,she left to France soon after...it is said that after her exile she hated everything connected to Russia due to her family's fate and all the bad memories that prevailed...

Here is a color version of Helena with her brothers:


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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #153 on: June 02, 2013, 02:23:55 PM »
Is there a book about her? Thanks Amelia

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #154 on: June 03, 2013, 03:32:16 AM »
The family resemblance was very strong.

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #155 on: June 03, 2013, 06:15:34 AM »
Is there a book about her? Thanks Amelia

I am not sure,but I think there are some memoirs in French which were either never published or published in French after the exile...But,I am sure Svetabel will know more about this...

The information I got about her were collected from the news articles that were published due to 50 years of her death...

She has grown up changing countries(Montenegro,France,Switzerland,Russia) and her actual life in Serbia was short and therefore not much is generally known about her...and many people in Serbia today don't know that King Alexander I,who is generally well known,even had a sister...

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #156 on: March 22, 2014, 02:45:37 PM »
Princess Helena as a child with her brothers...


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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #157 on: July 21, 2014, 02:52:42 PM »
Could you tell me if the woman next to Queen Elena of Italy is or is not Princess Elena Petrovna?
I am not sure...



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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #158 on: July 22, 2014, 05:40:02 AM »
Could you tell me if the woman next to Queen Elena of Italy is or is not Princess Elena Petrovna?
I am not sure...




That's Maria, youngest daughter of Queen Elena.

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #159 on: July 22, 2014, 11:37:13 AM »
I am not sure she is Princess Maria... I mean I've seen hundreds of photos depicting her and I don't recognise her in that woman...
But she must belong to the montenegrin family, as she has their tipical facial features.

could she be the daughter of Elena Petrovna? she married in Italy after all.

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« Reply #160 on: July 22, 2014, 11:39:09 AM »
or maybe you're right and she is Maria of Italy...

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #161 on: July 22, 2014, 02:11:50 PM »
I am not sure she is Princess Maria... I mean I've seen hundreds of photos depicting her and I don't recognise her in that woman...
But she must belong to the montenegrin family, as she has their tipical facial features.

could she be the daughter of Elena Petrovna? she married in Italy after all.

Daughter of Elena Petrovna had another type of face: she resembled more her Russian ancestors . That girl/woman does look like Maria of Italy, IMHO.

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #162 on: July 23, 2014, 10:53:37 AM »
Sveta, you were right she is Princess Maria, I found a newspaper article with a photo.
Am I to delete the posts? I mean as there is no real connection with the Imperial Family of Russia...

in the photo you can see only the little Prince of Naples, Princess Jolanda, her husband and the King..
maybe the woman on the left could be Prascovia Sheremetev, becouse she was there that day..but she is half hidden.

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #163 on: July 23, 2014, 01:56:12 PM »
Svetabel,

Is there any published book about her? Thanks Amelia

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #164 on: July 25, 2014, 03:17:40 PM »
Svetabel,

Is there any published book about her? Thanks Amelia

No, there is not in Russian any books. Only mentions in bios of GD KR and his sons.