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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #60 on: July 04, 2007, 12:00:51 PM »
Dear Helen,

It is not a book, it is an article, very interesting.  It is a chapter of a book Romanov Autumn. You can contact Arturo Beeche at Eurohistory, I think he has it.  I have mine in my house in Florida, so I really can not help you before you go to Ekaterinburgh.  I could send you a copy by the end of the year when I will be down.

Anyway, please port as many photos from Ekaterinburgh as you can, I am sure it will please all of us. Have a great trip

Amelia

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #61 on: July 19, 2007, 01:56:00 PM »

Picture of Pss Ekaterina Ioannovna at a recent memorial service for the late Princess & GD Vladimir Kirillovich

Source: http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/231513.html

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2008, 06:55:27 PM »
One question:What kind of a status did she have in Russia?She was married to a Prince of Imperal blood who was styled His Highness and Helena,as a daughter of a King had the status Her Royal Highness...Was she styled Her Royal Highness Princess Helena of Russia,just like Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna kept her Imperal status in Britain or just Her Highness Princess Helena of Russia?

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2008, 07:14:14 PM »
Her Highness Princess Ivan (Elena Petrovna) of Russia (princess of the blood)

I think 98% right.  :)

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #64 on: July 19, 2008, 07:30:54 PM »
Her Highness Princess Ivan (Elena Petrovna) of Russia (princess of the blood). I think 98% right.  :)

Normally a royal woman who has higher rank than her husband keeps her rank.
Princess Patricia of Connaught is a famous exception to the custom (because she requested so),
but Elena, as the only daughter of a King, is unlikely to have ceased being H.R.H.

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #65 on: July 19, 2008, 10:02:16 PM »
That's why I asked this question...And I think that she is princess in her own right...as much as I know,in my country and I think in Russia Princesses or Grand Duchesses are styled in their own name,si I think she would't be Princess Ioann,but Princess Helena of Russia,but with what style?

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2008, 11:12:50 PM »
possibly,

HRH Princess Ivan of Russia, Helen of Serbia. ????

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #67 on: July 20, 2008, 07:20:58 AM »
Ough,that's why I ask,'cause I am not sure :-( if someone knows it wold be great...Princess Helena of Russia or Princess Ioann of Russia?Styled Her Highness or Her Royal Highness after her marriage?

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #68 on: July 20, 2008, 09:07:51 AM »
What were the relations between Helen and his father, King Peter I of Serbia ? I know Alexander, the future King Alexander I of Yugoslavia venerated his father and suffered a lot of his death.

In it was the same for Helen?
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« Reply #69 on: July 20, 2008, 09:16:11 AM »
She had very good relations with her father,but not so with her brother Alexander....she criticised him a lot and he didn't like it...

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #70 on: July 20, 2008, 11:42:02 AM »
"She was born Princess Helena of Serbia, and was known as Elena Petrovna after her marriage."


IN the link i posted, so basically,

HRH Elena Petrovna of Serbia, Princess Ivan of Russia.

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #71 on: July 20, 2008, 12:37:05 PM »
She had very good relations with her father,but not so with her brother Alexander....she criticised him a lot and he didn't like it...

Thanks for the info, Marc.

I think that, despite her widowhood, King Peter I was a good father.

But do you know why these critics helen on Alexandre?
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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #72 on: July 20, 2008, 11:04:48 PM »
Because of the way he treated their brother George...

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #73 on: August 06, 2008, 03:14:32 PM »
From "Royalty Digest" #43.  A group photo taken in 1922.  It says that Helen is the one standing to the left behind her brother King Alexander(seated, second from left), but it does not look like her...too old.  Maybe the Revolution aged her, but the lady seated to the left of Alexander looks more like her.  The children seated in the front are Helen's..Vsevolod and Ekaterina.  Many other familiar faces in this picture also ;)



The prince on the second row is no the Duke of Genua, he's the Prince of UDINE (Ferdinando di Savoia-Genova), son of the Duke of Genua, he became Duke of Genua in 1931.

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Re: Princess Elena Petrovna, wife of Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch
« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2009, 01:20:19 PM »
Engagement picture of Helena and Ioann: