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Re: Emperor Pavel - life and tragic end
« Reply #105 on: September 02, 2013, 05:09:02 PM »
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The Y DNA technique wasn't developed when the Pig's Meadow remains were originally tested, so unless there are suitable samples of Nicolas's or Alexei!s remains available, there would still need to be an exhumation. Perhaps it would be best to use Alexei, since his mains have yet to be required, and it is possible that the recent tests did include Y DNA.
Nicholas and Alexei's remains were tested for Y-DNA after Alexei's bones were discovered in 2007. The detailed Y-STR test results for the two of them (which matched)  allowed a prediction of haplogroup R1b to be made for their direct male line. The 17-marker STR profiles were compared with those of Alexei's fourth cousin Prince Andrew Andreevich Romanov and the matches were exact.

See the Coble et al (2009) paper at http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0004838#pone-0004838-g003 for details.

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Re: Emperor Pavel - life and tragic end
« Reply #106 on: September 02, 2013, 11:43:07 PM »
So they already have Nicholas II's Y-DNA on record and there isn't a lack of Oldenburg males who aren't also descended through Emperor Paul like the surviving Romanov descendants.

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Re: Emperor Pavel - life and tragic end
« Reply #107 on: September 03, 2013, 03:00:27 AM »
So we need another male-line Oldenburg descendant, one not descended from Pavel.

Incidentally, Alexei and Andrew Andreievich are fourth cousins in the male line, but first cousins once removed through Xenia.

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Re: Emperor Pavel - life and tragic end
« Reply #108 on: February 14, 2014, 02:14:32 AM »
I've been reading about the Russian royals of the eighteenth century recently and am amazed at the number of people who say that Paul resembled his father Peter III.

Judging by the portraits, the two looked nothing alike.  Paul had a broad face, square head, eyes downturned at the outer corners and an unusual saddle nose.  Peter III had an oval face, small eyes, straight nose and pointed chin. In other words, the opposite facial appearance.

Of course, none of this is proof that Peter III was not Paul's biological father.  Paul would not be the first man in the history of the world who didn't resemble his father.

Similarly, Paul having had similar interests and preoccupations as Peter are not proof that he was his son.  Interests are not genetically passed on to ones offspring.  It seems to me that Paul consciously chose to be more like Peter III to spite his mother because of their dreadful mother-son relationship.

Only DNA testing will settle this argument.

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Re: Emperor Pavel - life and tragic end
« Reply #109 on: April 29, 2014, 01:02:08 PM »
I've copied this from my own web site:

>>Was Peter III the father of Paul?

Rumor has attached the possible father as being Serge Saltikov.

It is believed that Catherine II "the Great" never disclosed the facts about Paul I's conception.

Due to the new discoveries through DNA, it appears that Saltikov's claim may be null and void. See the following information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_haplogroups_of_historical_and_famous_figures#Rurik_of_Novgorod

which claims:
>>All Russian emperors from at least Nicholas I to Nicholas II "Holstein-Gottorp-Romanov"[edit]
The haplotype of Nicholas II of Russia has been predicted to belong to R1b.[36][37]

It matched a member of another line of Nicholas I's descendants. So, all the Emperors from Nicholas I to Nicholas II shared this Y-DNA. It can also be said that this result is German-specific, so Paul I was most likely the real son of his official father Peter III, and not the son of a lover, as was speculated.[citation. needed][dubious discuss]

It also allowed to validate the remains of Alexei, son of Nicholas II.<<

>>...likely the real son of his official father Peter III...<< That may be an obvious leap. I think I'd say, Paul I's father was from a "German-specific" which covers a group rather than just Peter III.

Frederick II "the Great" was always plotting so who knows.

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Read more: http://agrbear.hyperboards.com/action/view_topic/topic_id/962#ixzz30IZQmqYu<<

If this report is reliable: It is probably safe to say that Peter III is probably the father of Paul I unless someone can produce a possible candidate, who's background was the same or similar to Peter III's and was in contact with Catherine during the time of conception.
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Re: Emperor Pavel - life and tragic end
« Reply #110 on: November 17, 2014, 02:52:55 PM »
anyone know his last words

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Re: Emperor Pavel - life and tragic end
« Reply #111 on: November 17, 2014, 04:53:45 PM »
anyone know his last words

According to "The Last Words of Great Men" by Rev. Thomas P. Hughes, as well as Alexander I: Emperor of Russia by H.E. Lloyd, Emperor Pavel's last words were in French: "Gentlemen, for heaven's sake, spare me!  Leave me time to pray to God!"  
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Re: Emperor Pavel - life and tragic end
« Reply #112 on: November 24, 2014, 10:32:29 AM »
Thanks 

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Re: Emperor Pavel - life and tragic end
« Reply #113 on: November 24, 2014, 11:04:05 AM »
anyone ever hear  the  Story of the  Army  Officer  who refused  a Carriage  ride  with  Paul I  and got demoted

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Tsar Paul I of Russsia strangest (Confirmed) Stories
« Reply #114 on: August 25, 2015, 05:34:02 PM »
Anyone know any  off the wall  Stories   about  him  I Have heard he made people  salute The  Winter Palace 
and  he demoted an Officer  for refusing a ride in His Carriage     are these  reports   factual