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Bob_the_builder

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Re: Searches for a young woman around Yekaterinburg
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2007, 08:40:47 PM »
While I wouldn't trust alot of what is in "The File on the Tsar" simply because it's very outdated, it would be a lie to tell you there weren't reports from people who lived in Siberia searching for "Grand Duchess Anastasia" and in some stories it was "Alexei" and others "Tatiana". But that dosen't mean they survived, it just means that they lost two of the bodies. Maybe one of the guards who wouldn't shoot children wanted to give them a proper burial. Who knows? It's all speculation. We'll never know. But I don't think the two corpses just got up and walked away lol. Especially considering Alexei couldn't even walk and had to be carried by Nicholas on the night of the murders.

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Re: Searches for a young woman around Yekaterinburg
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2007, 01:34:59 PM »
In the book section,  there is a thread about THE FILE ON THE TSAR by Mangold and Summers.

The original book was written back in 1976.  There is a updated  edition published in 2002.  I just bought it recently so I've not really read it but kinda jumped around looking for specific stuff.

What do they say, now, about the Perm data? 

p. 18:

>>What we found in the Romanov case were the seven volumes of original testimony, police reports and affidavits -- all in Russian -- that had been lost to scholars for decades.  It was at once clear that whole areas of vital evidence had been suppressed.  Inside the dossier was detailed evidence,  seeminly as complelling as any that then existed for the massacre version, indicating all the female members of the tsar's immedicate family were alive for many months after their historical "deaths".

So it was that in 1976, in the first edition of this book, we offered readers what we believed to be, as we put it at the time,  "a glimpse of what may really have happened to Nicholas and Alexandera and their children".  Since then, however, much as happened to change the story.

In the years following the collapse of the Soviet Union, a string of headlines trumpeted the discover of fresh documents and the excavation of a new gravesite.<<

So the book continued about the information found by 2002 [maybe 2001??].

Jumping down the page:

>>Case closed?  Not quite. ...Even if the ramins found are Romanov bones,  all agree on one thing;  not enough bones have been found to account for the entire family.  Specifically, there are no remains to account for the heir to the throne, Tsarevich Alexei, or for one of his sisters--with the possibility that the missing sister may be Anatasia.  Their precisse fate, therefore, remains uncertain.

As for us,  we accept that the new discoveres may have proved us wrong....<<

The book itself remains the same and  they voice:  >>We ask the reader to bear with the obvious redundancies such as references in the present tense to individuals now dead.  Meanwhile,  we offer a new Postscript that reports only only on recent develoments but also on the controversies they in turn have spawned.  May our readers enjoy pondering the puzzzles that remains.<<

That pretty well sums up what is being said often here on this forum.

Just a simple sentence refers to  the Perm information and they had given a warning to it's credibility. 

p. 364:

>>.....the French historian Marc Ferror treated it seriuosly in his biography of the tsar."

As do I,  because,  we still do NOT know what happen to one of the missing daughters [Anastasia or Marie] or Alexei.

Having dealt with Russian disinformation on a personal level,  I know full well that  CHEKA,  KGB and Russian high officals,  stay as close to the truth as they can but twist in the disinformation to muddy the waters of truth.

My SPECULATION: Yurovsky discovered he had two missing Romanovs and so Yurovsky,  his fellow CHEKAs,  Ural Soviets and the Moscow Soviets,  had to solve the mystery of their disapearance.   If they did or did not know what happen to the two missing,  we may never know.    I believe,  if  something else did occur,  they have had plenty of time  to destroy and/ or alter most of  evidence.

The excavation of the grave in Pig's Meadow was hurried, sloppy and   not considered a crime scene and so no care of given.   Was this sloppiness due to  the lack of  interest by the Russians involved or were they still making all efforts to continue the need of  hiding the truth?

I don'tthink we can point a finger and say the scientists and the people who uncovered the bones and placed them in  piles  as  being the ones  giving us disinformation,  if that is indeed what has happen.   I think orders came from higher officials.  Perhaps it came from   one of the "good old boys"  [faithful old communist] who passed down the orders of how to handle the grave site.    How high was this official?  I don't know.  Remember, this  is JUST my SPECULATION.    This order  of "hurry"  didn't have to go any higher than the Urals,  then, again,  it could have been a lot higher up.... 

Lack of money and lack of  interest  might have be closer to what occured.

The  results remains the same:   A  hurried removal of bones  makes the evactation seem sloppy,  almost careless but we know the Russian woman scientists involved  felt rushed,  didn't feel comfortable with the orders,  and,  has been able to freely express her thoughts.

This post became too long and I probably made some mistakes.  Since I have to run and do some stuff,   and,  we only have a few minutes to correct these posts,  I'll be back to answer your questions.  Please,  let me know my errors and  I'll  reply if it is an error or why I think  as I do. 

Be back  next week.

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Re: Searches for a young woman around Yekaterinburg
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2007, 01:59:09 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there an actual sign announcing punishment if anyone were found hiding the Grand Duchess Anastasia?