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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2004, 02:56:50 PM »
Thank you for your story, she sounds like a nice lady and you were lucky to know her!

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2004, 04:42:21 PM »
In 1995, Georgia, woman, whoes name is Natalia Bilihodze, sais that she is Anastasia Romanova.The proffecional experts in Georgia, Litva and Germany watch her and made dicision, that she is Anastasia endeed. ( it was not DNM test, of course).After this she goes to Russia, where Eltzin give her the new Russian passport In name Anastasia Romanova...she is 103 old now and lives under guard in one of Europian country...
Her tale contains many interesting details:in one of Georgian provinces ,Abhazia,in Cuhumi, all of citizens knows,that the Russian Tsar Nikolai lived in there town(?!) with his family...in 20-years of 20 century many of Abhazians remember Nikolais working in Botanical Garden,as gardener.Also Alex was treated in Abastumany, also in Georgia.There are some photogarfies of Tsar and also Alex with their doughters,
wich are created in Abhazia in 20x-years...
Why kommunists didn,t kill the Royal family? becouse thay need Nikolai for  confession of Soviets by the Europian countries.Tsar bacame the preson for political sale under Soviets and others...who was killed in Ek.?
Nowone or someone others.This show was created by Soviets for stopping the Family,s watching by some goverments or countryes, but Lenin needs Royal Family for negotiation with enimyes of Soviets. This was reason,for this Tsar was,nt killed,and also the burial in St.Pet. was a show,created by Eltzin and russian goverment.THERE ARE NOT TSAR AND HIS FAMILY
BURIED in ST.Pet.
Who is Bilihodze-Romanova? Is she Anastasia or not?
I think this question will die with her - only for one reason - nobody in goverments want to recognize this old women, even though she is Anastasia,mostly in
US, UK. Why?
The reason is easy to undersend - in 10-years of 20 century Tsar send a lot of gold to US and Uk. The gold,s
qountity was so big, that many of biggest banks in the
world,like Morgan,CityBank,Barclay, Credit Suisse and etc. have renewed their authorized capital  with  this gold, hope that revolution all will wipe  everithing and everone  from memory.
If this women is real Anastasia, now she is heiress
of...20,000,000,000,000$. If she will require this noney from financial institutes,near by her  Bill Gates will look
like a housekeeper with good salary.
If she is,nt Anastasia, this is tragedy of old woman,which is use by swindlers,if she is, it is a bigger tragedy of  Russian Empress, who never receivs
even apologies from her fatherland, the big stupit Russia,
who so inhuman pertained always to personalities.











may be someone knows about this?
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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2004, 08:35:20 PM »
There is not anything like this kind of money to be had. This is just another bogus story.  You posted this same question under a different name, Filmmaker, twice earlier today, a name you have since deleted. Stop playing games, or you will be refused the ability to post here.

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2004, 02:35:15 AM »
In first- I  was changing the names  for interesting
how it works, only.
In twice - the 90% of "stories" in world are bogus,if YOU know, but sometimes documentary filmmakers are looking for everything, which is connected in theme.
I am not adherent to some versions, but this version isn"t so "bogus", as you say.I, am not sure, that the  secret services and politicians of many countries are concern with fool deals...
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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2004, 09:36:53 AM »
Clearly then,
you aren't much of a "journalist" or researcher. Go to amazon.com and find the excellent book "The Lost Fortune of the Tsars", by William Clarke, 1994. ISBN 0 297 81434 6.
Everything you want to know about "Romanov fortunes" after the Revolution is there.
pg. 190: "So far, no evidence has emerged to suggest that any gold deposits were made on behalf of the Romanoff family prior to abdication.  There is little reason to think that there would be...the main dispute about the ownership of the gold we have traced lay between the Imperial government, the Bolshevik government and, in the case of gold shipped to the Bank of England, the British government."

pg 242. "Once again, there is no evidence here that the tsar's personal deposits (in the US) formed part of the residue.  We know that the Guaranty Trust money ($4,976,722) was basically the balance of the 1916 loan. The small amount of money left in National City Bank (now Citibank, $151,784) is testimony to the use of that account by the US treasury to pay off US debts....
pg. 243. "What eventually emerges is that large "tsarist" accounts of up to $70 million did exist in the United States a the end of the war.  The banks, too, have been indentified.  What has not emerged in San Francisco or New York, or elsewhere is any evidence that personal money of the tsar was involved.  Moreover, no trace of alleged former investments of the tsar in New York has ever been found.  Perhaps more significant, the Soviet authorities at no point raised the question of personal tsarist money or investments United States in any of their detailed claims in the courts."

For London: the only Bank with any possible Tsarist deposits was Barings. point 1. pg. 257-58. What we are left with are the original facts: (the money left in Barings) was the original property of the Imperial Russian government and to some extent the Provisional government.  That government in turn had oustanding debts which had to be negotiated and clarified.  But if we are simply searching for  tsarist deposits, the facts now seem clear. Barings and no other London banks had the money."
Point 2. Barings bank went out of business and no longer exists, having collapsed in 1995.

pg. 275. "The only personal funds left abroad are those of the children in Berlin, which were inherited by Grand Duchess Xenia and her Romanoff relations in 1933."
pg. 276. "This leaves the 100million pounds of Tsarist accounts remaining in Paris, London, and New York in 1918, the bulk of which have in any case already been distributed by the British and American governments to other creditors of the former tsarist regime."

Do your homework. There is no huge gold fortune to be had.

As for her claim, just get a small tissue sample from her, and send it to Dr. Terry Melton, Mitotyping Technologies, LLC, 2565 Park Center Boulevard, Suite 200, State College, PA 16801.  She can compare it with the known descendants and simply answer the question for certain.
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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2004, 01:50:27 PM »
Thank you,Admin.
One question,please:
do you know something concretely about Bilihodze- Romanova? She is 103 years old and lives in Luxemburg...
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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2004, 01:59:15 PM »
never heard of her.

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2004, 11:13:00 AM »
In these stories, why do they always make Nicholas a gardener?  A mushroom gatherer might be more appropriate.... ::)
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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2004, 10:19:49 PM »
Obviously English is your second language?  What country are you from??
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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2004, 03:22:14 AM »
Please post a photo of "Anastasia" for a laugh.

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2004, 09:42:36 AM »
I have just been pondering the Anastasia phenomenon, and was wondering how many claimants there were who said they were Anastasia.  I have read about Anna Anderson, and know some about Eugenie Smith.  But did anyone else become as well known as these two, and what was their fate?

Thanks.  I am becoming interested in this whole phenomenon of IF claimants, as I wonder what makes them tick even after the IF remains have been ID'd through DNA.  

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2004, 10:13:56 AM »
Denise,

I don't know their names, but I know there were quite a few in Russia, but I think over there they came either in pairs or three's (e.g. Anastasia and Maria and Olga etc.) or as a whole family (like the Filatovs). I know there was an Alexei clamaint, I think his name was Michael Golenitski, and there was also another one in Canada, but I forget his name. I am sure someone else will have all this info and post it. This is why I think the surviving members of the IF, like the dowager and the sisters,  would not take any of the claimants seriously, would you if one turned up practically every month?

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2004, 10:18:15 AM »
Oh, exactly Helen.  I feel so badly for the surviving Romanoffs.  How could they make peace with the murder of their family members when there was a new claimant every month?  And in the case of MF, it seems that she never accepted their deaths at all, at least publicly.  

The claimants that make the least sense to me are the Alexei claimants.  How rational is it to believe that a boy with hemophilia could survive a large scale barrage of bullets?

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2004, 10:28:26 AM »
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....in the case of MF, it seems that she never accepted their deaths at all, at least publicly.  

The claimants that make the least sense to me are the Alexei claimants.  
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Yes, I think that MF was in denial about it, and that is perfectly understandable, but deep down she probably knew.

I think the way that Alexei claimants deal with the hemophilia issue is the following:

1. Lo and behold, it turns out Alexei didn't really have hemophilia, he was misdiagnosed! He had another blood disorder that later went in remission.

2. The family was not really killed, it was their doubles who were in that basement. So Alexei was not exposed to any of the carnage.

3. They ignore it.

Weird part is, some people still buy into it. I suppose that will always be the case, no matter what kind of evidence exists...

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2004, 10:42:01 AM »
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Weird part is, some people still buy into it. I suppose that will always be the case, no matter what kind of evidence exists...


I think you have hit the nail on the head.  For years I read everything on AA, and thought Kurth's book was gospel.  Was sad to learn the results of the DNA testing.  I think as humans we need that hope of survival myth in the face of great horror.  

There are those who are still crying conspiracy in the testing.  Well, I soppose it is remotely possible, but not the least bit probable.  People being what they are, SOMEONE would have talked somewhere, you know?