Author Topic: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family  (Read 118164 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Eurohistory

  • Moderator
  • Velikye Knyaz
  • *****
  • Posts: 1920
    • View Profile
    • Eurohistory.com
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2005, 09:25:48 PM »
No illness...she felt ill one day, was dead two days later...awful!

Arturo Beéche
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Eurohistory »
--
Arturo Beéche, Publisher
http://erhj.blogspot.com
European Royal History Journal
Kensington House Books
6300 Kensington Ave.
East Richmond Heights, CA 94805 USA
510/236-1730
books@eurohistory.com
http://www.eurohistory.com

Offline Marc

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 4335
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2005, 05:50:03 AM »
Grand Duke,thanks for the pictures!Spanish family was huge,so I wonder about their family relations...

Offline kmerov

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 1485
    • View Profile
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2005, 09:36:55 AM »
From what family did her husband, Francisco de Asis come from?  
Does anyone have a picture of him?

Offline Eurohistory

  • Moderator
  • Velikye Knyaz
  • *****
  • Posts: 1920
    • View Profile
    • Eurohistory.com
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2005, 09:40:31 AM »
Infante Francisco de Asís of Spain was the son of Infante Francisco de Paula, a younger brother of King Ferdinand VII, Isabel II's father.

Therefore, Isabel II and her husand were first cousins.

Arturo Beéche
--
Arturo Beéche, Publisher
http://erhj.blogspot.com
European Royal History Journal
Kensington House Books
6300 Kensington Ave.
East Richmond Heights, CA 94805 USA
510/236-1730
books@eurohistory.com
http://www.eurohistory.com

Offline kmerov

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 1485
    • View Profile
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2005, 09:50:23 AM »
Thank you.. how many brothers did Ferdinand VII have? Wasnt it one of his brothers who wanted the throne for himself (the carlists)? Did de Paula support Isabella or his brother? Forgive me for all these questions....

Offline Eurohistory

  • Moderator
  • Velikye Knyaz
  • *****
  • Posts: 1920
    • View Profile
    • Eurohistory.com
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2005, 09:57:18 AM »
Please, no need for forgiveness...questions continue the threads and that is what we are here for...

Ferdinand VII had quite a few brothers.  Four boys were born before Fernando, but all died young.  Infante Carlos, the founder of the Carlist line, was his next brother, followed by Felipe (died in infacy) and Francisco de Paula.  In total King Carlos IV and Queen María Luisa had 14 children between 1771-1794.

Arturo Beéche
--
Arturo Beéche, Publisher
http://erhj.blogspot.com
European Royal History Journal
Kensington House Books
6300 Kensington Ave.
East Richmond Heights, CA 94805 USA
510/236-1730
books@eurohistory.com
http://www.eurohistory.com

Offline kmerov

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 1485
    • View Profile
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2005, 08:53:18 AM »
Thanks. That makes it a bit easier to understand the hole family...
Can someone tell a bit more about Isabellas husband? I have read that she once said, that he should have been a munch.

Offline grandduchessella

  • Global Moderator
  • Velikye Knyaz
  • *****
  • Posts: 13063
  • Getting Ready to Move to Europe :D
    • View Profile
    • Facebook page
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2005, 08:29:49 PM »
OK, now I didn't get this poem but it was on a French site so maybe the translation's off or it's just really bad poetry.  ;)

On April 19, 1904 ex-queen Isabelle II of Spain died in Paris. Born in 1830, she ascended to the throne at the age of three years and was deposed in 1868 after years of civil wars and plots. She consequently lived in exile, accompanied by her lover the former Marfori actor and by the excessively pious woman Sister Patrocinio. Albert Glatigny devoted a poem in his New Punishments (1870):
The soft Isabelle of Spain
Thought in her apartment,
Patrocinio, her partner,
Priait the sky dévotement (devoted?),
When one said to him: "the empire
Of your friend Napoleon,
A the hour when we speak, expires,
Queen  of Castille and Leon"
P uis (?) one told to him the route (rout?)
of Sedan, this cowardice
Of the man who made bankruptcy
A the honor, with dignity;
How, to save his carts,
His gold, his wandering luggage,
This beautiful smoker of cigarettes
had exclaimed: "I go! "
It is not a heart of Roman
Accepting the heaviest blows,
Certes, which Isabelle walks
Under a velvet blouse,
But if little that that
is to say a woman,
It can still judge
With contempt the infamous lover
Of Marguerite Bellanger.
Also, the innocent Isabelle,
In front of her confused husband,
drew up herself proud,
almost beautiful,
And turning to Marfori:
"By saint John of  Compostelle!
Your heart with all was detected,
One knows your value,
says it,
But you would not have done that! "

They also serve who only stand and wait--John Milton
Come visit on Pinterest--http://pinterest.com/lawrbk/

Offline Soledad

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 13
  • I love History and Figure Skating!
    • View Profile
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2005, 07:02:19 PM »
Quote
Thanks. That makes it a bit easier to understand the hole family...
Can someone tell a bit more about Isabellas husband? I have read that she once said, that he should have been a munch.


There where many different men considerer suitable for Isabel:
a portugal prince: Carlos Luis de Borbón y Bragança
a Habsburg archiduch (but the Austrians said NO)
another Borbón (a son of Carlos, mainly to end the civil war. Strongly suggested by Great Britain)
an Orleans prince (strongly sugested by the french King)
prince Leopold of Coburg (cousin of the prince consort of England)
and, finally, the son of the younger brother of Ferndinand VII: Infante Don Francisco de Asis y de Borbón

In the end, without considering Isabel's oppinion, it was decided that she was to marry her first cousin the Infante Don Francisco de Asis y de Borbón, and that her sister Luisa Fernanda was to marry one of the sons of Louis-Philippe D'Orleans.
By that time it was arleady known that Francisco was an homosexual, but nobody seemed to care that when considering him as the future husband of Isabel II. Allegedly, when she found out who was destined to become her future husband she shouted "Con Paquita no!" (Not with Franchesca!) as she knew him and didn't want to marry him, she was horrified with the idea. She cried for days. To convince her, her own mother told her that Francisco would be satisfied with the honor of beeing King Consort and the material advanges of the title. She also assured her daughter that him beeing gay wouldn't necessary imply that he would not be able to produce a child.
Once married, they didn't get along very well, if fact, they hatted each other. He blackmailed her with the letters she had written to one of her lovers to get money from her.He ever played a part on her downfall.
Once they where exiled, they lived on separate houses.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Soledad »
From Argentina with love

Offline Marc

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 4335
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2005, 07:59:40 PM »
Why the Habsburgs refused offer for the Archduke to become husband of Isabella II?

Offline Soledad

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 13
  • I love History and Figure Skating!
    • View Profile
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2005, 09:50:13 AM »
Politics. Metternich said No, and that was the final word.
At that time Austria was in favor of the Carlists. So they didn't recognised Isabel II as the Queen of Spain.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2010, 04:08:11 PM by trentk80 »
From Argentina with love

Offline kmerov

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 1485
    • View Profile
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2005, 01:46:45 PM »
Doesn't her crown look a bit like candles on this picture?

« Last Edit: October 10, 2010, 04:01:02 PM by trentk80 »

Offline PrinceEddy1864

  • Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 882
  • lovely louise.
    • View Profile
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2005, 08:05:39 PM »
There is a nice picture of Pilar on Corbis. At least it says it is her.

Anyone have a photo of the young Isabel (the eldest child).
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by PrinceEddy1864 »
from the top of the ocean to the bottom of the sky.
albert victor christian edward.

Offline Poppy

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2005, 07:57:30 AM »
Queen Isabella II again

« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Poppy »

Offline Svetabel

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 4878
    • View Profile
    • http://svetabella.livejournal.com/
Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2005, 10:38:28 AM »
Quote
There is a nice picture of Pilar on Corbis. At least it says it is her.



I believe that photo is not Pilar but Eulalia.