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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2005, 09:02:59 AM »


Yes, they were very closely related. From my point of view, theirs was the marriage with the worst consangineous relationship I have ever heard of after Ancient Egypt...


Their fathers (King Ferdinand VII and infante don Francisco de Paula) were brothers, and their mothers (Queen Maria Cristina and infanta Luisa Carlota) were sisters. Ferdinand and Francisco's parents were first cousins and Maria Cristina and Luisa Carlota's aswell. Then, Maria Cristina and Luisa Carlota's mother was Ferdinand and Francisco's younger sister. As you can see, a complicated family tree!!


In Spain, until the Constitution of 1978, there was no such tthing as Prince Consort. The reigning queens had their husbands entitled as King Consort and for this there are many examples:

1- Munia Mayor of Castile, in the 9th century, abdicated Castile on her husband.

2- Queen Urraca I made her three husbands King Consort of Castile.

3- Queen Petronilla I of Aragon reigned jointly with her husband Raymond Berenguer of Barcelona.

And then much recent examples as Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand (the Catholics) and Queen Joan the Mad with King Philip of Austria.  Isabel II was not an exception and she made her cousin King Consort the same way a King would make his wife a Queen Consort.
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2005, 09:15:10 AM »
King Consort . . .how very unusual that is anywhere else . . .Was Isabel's funeral well attended - was she mourned in Spain?
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« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2005, 09:58:44 AM »
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King Consort . . .how very unusual that is anywhere else . . .


In Portugal was the same: the law stated that the reigning queen's husband should be entitled King Consort only when the first child of their marriage was born.
The Portuguese only cases were:

- Maria I and her husband Peter III.

- Maria II and her husband Ferdinand II (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha).
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« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2005, 02:21:29 PM »
Did the King Consort's regnal numerals continue - for example, if Maria and Peter had called their son Peter would he have been Peter IV?
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2005, 04:30:06 PM »


yes they did, in fact, their grandson was Peter IV of Portugal!

In Spain, on the other hand, the King Consorts didn't add a number to their name.
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2005, 04:36:23 PM »
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yes they did, in fact, their grandson was Peter IV of Portugal!

In Spain, on the other hand, the King Consorts didn't add a number to their name.


Thanks for that, umigon! The King consort thing is an interesting notion . . . did they technically outrank their wives in precedence, preceed them into a room etc?
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« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2005, 07:56:24 PM »
Isabel was a victim of international politics, sacrificed to the exigencies of political ambitions.

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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2005, 05:50:14 AM »
Did Isabel continue to style herself Queen for the rest of her life?
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2005, 07:36:07 AM »


No, when she abdicated in Alfonso in 1870 she stopped styling herself as Reigning Queen, she was then the Queen Mother.

In fact, she was probably willing to abdicate as, when she had done the deed, she threw herself on a sofa and exclamed: 'That was a real weight off my mind!'
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2005, 07:42:04 AM »
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No, when she abdicated in Alfonso in 1870 she stopped styling herself as Reigning Queen, she was then the Queen Mother.

In fact, she was probably willing to abdicate as, when she had done the deed, she threw herself on a sofa and exclamed: 'That was a real weight off my mind!'


What a story! Preumably she stilled styled herself 'Her Majesty'? What about her husband? What was his style from the abdication?
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2005, 07:46:07 AM »


Both where Her and His Majesty respectively, so they were still styled as Queen and King, but no more as Queen regnant.

And about the precedence, Isabel always went before Francisco, she was the rightful queen!
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2005, 07:50:16 AM »
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Both where Her and His Majesty respectively, so they were still styled as Queen and King, but no more as Queen regnant.

And about the precedence, Isabel always went before Francisco, she was the rightful queen!


She went before him? I'd say he didn't like that . . .
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2005, 09:02:19 AM »


Well, during the first months of their marriage, Francisco had wished that their union would be like Ferdinand and Isabella's that is, joint rulers of Spain (Tanto monta, monta tanto...) but it was soon clear to him that this would never occur.

He used his constant attacks of jealousy to get economic benefits and political charges for him and his friends, but he wasn't as successful as he would have liked to!

About him being angry for not having precedence over Isabel ... I don't think that would have mattered too much if he had had more power! Still, protocole in Spain was not as important as in Britain or Austria, Isabel was a very amusing person and she used to have private parties at a popular restaurant called Lhardy (which by the way, it still exists!) where she sometimes got drunk. This parties were so noisy and they lasted for so long in the night that the police had to intervene sometimes!!


I can't imagine Queen Victoria in such parties!
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2005, 09:50:39 AM »
Yes, without doubt QV would have been 'not amused'. ; - )
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #74 on: October 30, 2005, 08:03:30 AM »
I think the legend that Fransisco de Asis was gay came about as since Isabella II had a great apetite for sex (like all borbons), the couple did not even consummate their wedding night sent tongues wagging.

Isabella II was told to have said "What shall I say of a man, who on his wedding night wore more lace than I ?"