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Offline Norbert

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Re: Spanish nobility & aristocracy
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2008, 08:21:20 AM »
well it's okay ...i suspect a daughter of the duchess of alba would have been better.

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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2008, 01:36:02 PM »
seriously , Yes they are members of this wonderful dynasty. I think Remi is playing with us. I've never heard of the title duque de Sagunto . The Duchess of Seville is the niece of 10 Prince von Furstenberg. I have Concha Espina in Madrid as an address. You do see them popping up in Hola magazine so they must be high in Spanish society.

The former Duchess of Seville, you mean.

Since the couple divorced the Duke remarried twice.

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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2008, 05:04:48 PM »
Well,Beatrix Wilhelmine Paula,Gräfin von Hardenberg has very interesting lineage...

She has descended from her mothers side from many ''equal' families such as Fürstenberg,Khevenhüller-Metsch,Baden,Thurn und Taxis,Lobkowicz,Lichnowsky,Hesse-Damstadt,Hesse-Cassel,Nassau,Württemberg,Holstein-Gottorp,Schönborn-Buccheim...Through Schönburg-Glauchau family she is a relative of Princess Gloria von Thurn und Taxis and through Chotek family she is a relative of Sophie Chotek,Duchess von Hohenberg...

From her fathers side she has descended from many North German noble families such as,of course Hardenberg,Bülow,Bothmer,Moltke,even from the von Eichstedt family which connects her to Princess Michael of Kent(Baroness Marie-Christine von Reibnitz)...

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Re: Spanish nobility & aristocracy
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2008, 12:28:16 PM »
like the UK the 'foreign' connections mean nothing ;-)

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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2008, 02:29:54 PM »
Yeah right ;-)

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Re: Spanish nobility & aristocracy
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2008, 03:19:04 PM »
The Duke of Sevilla is a Spanish Grandee, but not a royal highness. this branch of the Bourbon dynasty is morganatic and has been so since the unequal marriage of the Infante don Enrique (1823-1870) married Elena de Castellvi (1821-1863). He was the first Duke of Sevilla. In 1870 he died in a duel with the Duc de Montpensier andf was succeeded by his eldest son, Enrique Pío (1848-1894), who left three daughters, two of whom were holders of the title: Maria Luisa (whose date of death remains a mystery to this day) and Enriqueta (1888-1968), the fourth Duchess of Sevilla.

In 1968 Enriqueta was succeeded by her grandson Francisco de Paula (b. 1943), since her own son Francisco de Paula (Sr.) had renounced the right to succeed tomhis mother's title, by reasons I do not remember at the moment.

Francisco de Paula (Jr.) has held the title since 1968. His first wife was Countess Beatrix von Hardenberg, by whom he fathered three children, two daughters and a son, Francisco (b. 1979), who a few years ago nearly died in a terrible accident.

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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2008, 08:03:52 PM »
Francisco de Paula (Jr.) has held the title since 1968. His first wife was Countess Beatrix von Hardenberg, by whom he fathered three children, two daughters and a son, Francisco (b. 1979), who a few years ago nearly died in a terrible accident.

Art,

The Duque of Sevilla's son was killed ?

...Are you sure about that ?

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« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2008, 03:02:36 AM »


Francisco de Paula (Jr.) has held the title since 1968. His first wife was Countess Beatrix von Hardenberg, by whom he fathered three children, two daughters and a son, Francisco (b. 1979), who a few years ago nearly died in a terrible accident.

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I send you a pic taken recently where you can see   Beatrix v.Hardenberg with her three children: Francico de Paula (born 1979 is still alive

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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2008, 04:13:46 AM »
Thanks Arturo & Remi

Was it a car accident?
Does Francisco still suffer from it?

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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2008, 05:39:34 AM »
Was it a car accident?
Does Francisco still suffer from it?

Very likely he is alive and well. It was a Sevilla cousin who was killed in an accident (20 January 2005).

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« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2008, 07:10:51 AM »

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Very likely he is alive and well. It was a Sevilla cousin who was killed in an accident (20 January 2005).

Steven
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This cousin in question is: Alfonso de Borbon y Medina  (b.IV-27-1963+XII-20 2005. He's the great-grandson of the first Duke of Santa Elena.
He married Amelia Perez y Menzel. He has left a son: Alfonso (b.Xi-6-1999)

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Re: Spanish nobility & aristocracy
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2008, 03:20:14 PM »
Francisco de Paula (Jr.) has held the title since 1968. His first wife was Countess Beatrix von Hardenberg, by whom he fathered three children, two daughters and a son, Francisco (b. 1979), who a few years ago nearly died in a terrible accident.

Art,

The Duque of Sevilla's son was killed ?

...Are you sure about that ?



Hello,

I think Arturo said that the Sevilla heir "nearly" died in an accident (see Arturo's original post).

Another cousin from the Santa Elena branch died in a different accident and yet another Bourbon cousin died in an air crash of a Spanish Air Force troop carrier flying soldiers back from Afghanistan to Madrid. But I have that info at home.

The descendants of the first Duque de Sevilla have been a tragic bunch. Quite a few of them were also victims of the Communists during the Spanish civil war.

Eddie



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Re: Spanish nobility & aristocracy
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2008, 11:57:14 PM »
On May 26, 2003, an aircraft carrying Spanish peace keepers returning from Afghanistan suffered a fatal crash over Turkey. Among the military on board was don Juan Ignacio López de Borbón (1966-2003).

He was an Intelligence Officer in the Spanish Armed Forces. Don Juan Ignacio was listed as being "single," and having a sister by the name of Blanca.

Their parents are doña María del Milagro de Borbón y de Oro (b. 1941). She married in 1965 don Juan Ignacio López y Pérez (b. 1931). María del Milagro was one of the children of don Carlos Luis de Borbón y Rich (1915-1978) – himself the son of don José María Enrique de Borbón (1883-1962) – himself the son of don Francisco de Paula de Borbón y Castellvi (1853-1942), the second son of the Infante don Enrique, Duke of Sevilla.

Don Juan Ignacio López y de Borbón was a fifth cousin of the Prince of Asturias – both being great great great great grandsons of the Infante don Francisco de Paula of Spain (1794-1865), father of the King Consort don Francisco de Asís and of the 1st Duke of Sevilla, among many other children.

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« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2008, 05:54:23 AM »
I found a interesting genealogy of this branch
on this website
http://grandesp.org.uk/historia/gzas/sevilla.htm

Military careers of some members are indicated

HRH Infant Enrique, 1st duque de Sevilla : vice-almirante

Serving in the navy a tradition in this branch?

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Re: Spanish nobility & aristocracy
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