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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #60 on: August 28, 2006, 05:14:42 AM »
 In Paris. He never showed any interest of that terrible war between brothers, in the country where he was born.

I have heard, that during the IIWW, he walked about Berlin, with a yellow star sewing in his clothes, defying Hitler. I don´t think Luis Fernando was specially  a brave man, for me, no doubt, his mind was ill.


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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #61 on: August 28, 2006, 11:12:19 AM »
Selfish bitter, disloyal and uncaring...(my verdict).  >:(

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #62 on: September 01, 2006, 08:37:40 PM »
With parent like those two...Luis could well expect to be screwed... :(

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #63 on: September 02, 2006, 03:13:22 PM »
Yes, but don´t forget that Ali had the same parents.

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« Reply #64 on: September 02, 2006, 08:06:58 PM »
That's why he was so special and exceptional. Just like his Aunt Mecedes (his father's sister) was such a sweet person, while her father Montpensier was deemed ambitious, disloyal and even evil.  ;)

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #65 on: September 03, 2006, 11:10:52 PM »
And yet Infanta Eulalia had nothing but praise for her uncle and father-in-law Montpensier...one always must pay attention to the other side of a coin.

Luis was a troublesome boy who suffered from many complexes, surely caused by his very unhappy childhood and the myriad problems caused by both his parents.

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« Reply #66 on: September 03, 2006, 11:16:54 PM »
True but flip side of a coin, how come Ali turned out so normal (even noble in character ?). Maybe there was a bad seed in Luis after all.

True Eulalia liked Montpensier (one of the reason she agree to marry his son). But Isabella hated him and unfortunately that extended to poor Mecedes (she did not attend her beloved son's wedding).  :(

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #67 on: September 06, 2006, 11:12:04 PM »
True but flip side of a coin, how come Ali turned out so normal (even noble in character ?). Maybe there was a bad seed in Luis after all.

True Eulalia liked Montpensier (one of the reason she agree to marry his son). But Isabella hated him and unfortunately that extended to poor Mecedes (she did not attend her beloved son's wedding).  :(

I wonder if Isabel II hated him because he was an Orleans and she had a prejudice against that line owing to the actions of  Philippe Égalité or if she hated him because her 14 year old sister was forced to marry him and Duke Antoine engaged in a number of conspiracies against the queen.

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2006, 02:55:42 AM »
Nope...Montpensier was after her throne period (for his wife of course).  :(

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #69 on: September 09, 2006, 05:35:13 PM »
Montpensier's ambition had little to do with Luisa Frnanda's claims, kidd yourself not.

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« Reply #70 on: September 09, 2006, 08:14:04 PM »
Well...It gave him a bigger claim. I know the ambition was always there.  ;)

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #71 on: September 10, 2006, 10:16:20 AM »
When Montpensier presented his candidacy to the Spanish throne after Isabel II's ouster, and at the same time the Hohenzollern and Savoy candidacies were being discussed, he did not do so as th husband of Luisa Fernanda!

Montpensier saw himself as the most ideally suited candidate for the new throne to replace the traditionalist monarchy, those were his own ambitions.  Who knows...had he not killed the Duke of Sevilla...he could have had a chance...but then again his own son, don Antonio, would have wasted his father's efforts nonetheless.

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #72 on: September 10, 2006, 12:05:36 PM »
I though Montpensier was French.  ??? ??? ??? The Montpensiers sure did get around!  Are there any Montpensiers around today?  Are they claimants to any thrones?


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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2006, 01:25:22 PM »
He was French, but he married Infanta Luisa Fernanda de España, Isabel II's sister. His and Luisa's children were (I think) considered to be part of the Spanish Royal House.

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2006, 08:57:43 PM »
The Duke de Montpensier and Infanta Luisa Fernanda of Spain had several children, althogh many of them did not survive their parents.

Here is the list:

1. Maria Isabel Francisca, Infanta of Spain (1848-1919); m. 1864 her first cousin Prince Philippe d'Orléans, Count of Paris (1838-1894)

2. Maria Amelia Luisa, Infanta of Spain (1851-1870)

3. Maria Cristina Francisca de Paula Infanta of Spain (1852- 1879)

4. Maria de la Regla Francisca de Asis, Infanta of Spain (1856-1861)

5. Fernando Maria Enrique Carlos. Infante of Spain (1859-1873)

6. Maria de las Mercedes, Infanta of Spain (1860-1878); m. 1878 King Alfonso XII of Spain (1857-1885)

7. Felipe Raymundo Maria, Infante of Spain (1862-1864)

8. Antonio Maria Luís Felipe Juan Florencio, Infante of Spain, Duca di Galliera (1866-1930); m. 1886 Eulalia, Infanta of Spain (1864-1958)

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Through the descendants of Montpensier's eldest daughter and youngst son, the Duke is the ancestor of an interesting selection of people, among them:

- King Manoel II of Portugal (1889-1932)
- Amedeo, III Duca di Aosta, Viceroy of Ethiopia (1898-1942)
- Archduke Lorenz of Austria-Este (b. 1955)
- Aimone, IV Duca di Aosta, King of Croatia (as Tomislav II) (1900-1948)
- Amedeo, V Duca di Aosta (b. 1943)
- Isabelle, Countess von Schönborn-Buchheim (b. 1932)
- Monseigneur, Henri, Count of Paris (1908-1999)
- Monseigneur, Henri, Count of Paris (b. 1933)
- Monseigneur, Jean, Duke de Vendôme (b. 1965)
- Hélène, Dowager Countess Limburg Stirum (b. 1934)
- Ana, Duchess of Calabria (b. 1938)
- Diane, Duchess of Württemberg (b. 1940)
- Prince Jacques, Duke d'Orléans (b. 1941)
- Prince Michael of Greece (b. 1939)
- Adam, 14th Prince Czartoriski (b. 1940)
- María, Countess of Barcelona (1910-2000)
- Juan Carlos I, King of Spain (b. 1938)
- Felipe, Prince of Asturias (b. 1938)
- Leonor, Infanta of Spain (b. 2005)
- Esperanza, Prince d'Orléans-Bragança (1914-2005)
- Maria da Gloria d'Orléans-Bragança (b. 1946), former Crown Princess of Yugoslavia, Duchess of Segorbe
- Alfonso d'Orléans, Duca di Galliera (1886-1975)

And many, many more...

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