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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2006, 08:04:37 PM »
Yes...Luis was bought over to his father's side after he bribed him with part of his inheritance against the interests of his brother Alfonso ("Ali").  >:(

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2006, 12:13:10 PM »
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He was not only a gambler, but his marriage to Princess Marie was due to his continuous shortness of money! ...Alfonso XIII would retire him the title of infante and the revenues that the title implied!


Marie Say was the heiress of a sugar tycoon.
Extremely rich she married/”bought” her 1st husband, a Prince de Broglie.
She bought the lovely Chateau de Chaumont on the Loire banks.
A castle full of history from ancient times to the Renaissance and until our days that the couple restore at Marie's expenses.
I visited it a few years ago.
Don’t miss Catherine de Médici’s panelled bedroom where each panel hid a secret compartment for her poisons and papers  :o.
Catherine also hosted Nostradamus  ::) at Chaumont.

http://www.azureva.com/gb/loire/magazine/chateau/chateaux-chaumont.php3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chateau_Chaumont
http://www.chaumont-jardin.com/site/page/chateau/galerie_photo.php
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Say

Then appeared Luis Fernando de Borbon, a notorious gay, who seduced her in order to have access to her fortune  >:(.
Which, of course, he “burnt” with his eccentricities and lovers, in a very short time.
Marie died in completely poverty, ignored by her husband and all her "friends" she used to host at Chaumont and at her Paris Palace  >:(.


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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2006, 08:03:51 PM »
Thank you ! Merci !
Interesting links.
Very sad indeed about her...

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2006, 07:43:47 AM »
Did Luis got "all" her money ?  ??? Or her just spent all of it...?

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2006, 06:58:59 AM »
Luis was a monster...literally...a deeply troubled man who sought self-satisfaction at the expense of others, even if it meant renouncing his own mother.  Once he even told the King, his cousin, that he hoped the Spanish with kick his a... off the throne!

He and a French nobleman frequented the lowest bars in Paris. There they picked up a sailor and decided to have themseves a party...in the cours eof the ensuing orgy, the sailor overdose on cocaine and died.  Luis lost little time in running to the Spanish embassy to seek refuge and escape the French authorities.  He was not immoral, but amoral.

I trust the family did not mourn his passing much...death brings such relief at times...

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2006, 08:46:02 AM »
Yes Luis was the bad seed and Ali was the good seed... ;)

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2006, 02:58:47 PM »
I suppose that almost all of you know so well that Alfonso, or Ali, was the first military flyer in Spain. He was raised up between Spain, France and England, received a good education and studied Philosophy at the Heidelberg University. When he had twenty years, he passed through the military academy situated at Toledo. A few later, there were two great events of his life: the engagedment with Beatrice of Coburg, a princess he had met at the wedding of his cousin king Alfonso with Ena, and the discovery of his passion for the aviation when he attended to the famous exhibitions at Le Mans and Pau.

Ali could admirate the exhibitions of the Wright´s brothers, Voisin, Bleriot...and others. So, he determined to attend a pilot´s curse in a school situated near to Reims. The school of pilots had been created by Voisin brothers, and was directed by the great aviator Hubert Latham. Ali became an excellent pilot before the return to Spain when the king "forgive him" for the wedding with Beatrice of Coburg. In 1913, Ali was a member of the first expeditionary squadron sent to Africa, and he played his role in a large number of air warfare missions. In 1925, he was given command of the Fokker squadrons stationed at Tetuan. When the Alhucemas campaign was finished, the prince aviator was promoted to major and led the Los Alcázares Gunnery and Bombardment School.

In 1931, he had gone to exile with his cousin the king Alfonso. He lived, I believe, in London when he obtained permission of the General Franco to join his forces in the Spanish Civil War. From my point of view, this was the great shadow over the infante Ali´s story...

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2006, 09:11:50 PM »
Yes Ali lost his son Alonso during the Spanish civial war...Bee was very voacl about her critism of Franco, even rumoured that they were house arrest once by him. Ali also was devoted to the Spanish crown until the last. Very different from his brother, father or mother.

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2006, 05:34:26 AM »
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Montpensier???  Who are these royals and how are they related to the French & Spanish Royal Families?

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Antoine d´Orleans, duke of Montpensier, was one of the sons of the french king Louis Philippe and his napolitan wife Maria Amelia. Antoine married infanta Luisa Fernanda, a daughter of Fernando VII of Spain by his fourth wife Maria Cristina, also a napolitan princess. Luisa Fernanda was the younger sister of queen Isabel II of Spain.

The marriage between Antoine and Luisa Fernanda was celebrated on october 1846. Luisa was fifteen years old, and Antoine twenty two years old. The same day, queen Isabel II married her cousin infante Francisco de Asis.

Here in Spain, the most famous of the couple´s daughter are Mercedes, who became beloved queen consort of Alfonso XII, and young Maria Cristina. When Alfonso XII remained widow of his lovely Mercedes, he wished to marry Maria Cristina because she resembled her sister Mercedes in many ways. But Maria Cristina died of tuberculosis during the engagedment period, and the death of the cousin, sister-in-law and at the same time bride left Alfonso heartbroken.
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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2006, 03:29:47 PM »
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Duchess Mercedes and Duchess Cristina of Orléans Montpensier

A small correction but these girls were never duchesses of anything.  They were Infantas of Spain,  It is very debatable if they were Princesses d'Orléans due to the legal arrangements signed when their parents married.

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2006, 07:10:26 PM »
Hi all!

I've been trying to obtain information about Infanta Eulalia's second son, Infante Luis Fernando de Orléans y Borbón. I know he led such a scandalous life that infuriated his cousin King Alfonso XIII. I would like to know about his relationship with her mother Eulalia and also any colourful anecdotes. Any photo will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2006, 10:46:28 AM »
There is little in English about Luis Fernando.  Ricardo Mateos Sainz de Medrano gave a lecture last year at the annual ERHJ Conference on this branch of the orleans family...that really is about it.

Now in Spanissh and French there are quite a few works dealing with the troublesome Infante don Luis Fernando.

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2006, 10:57:39 AM »
Can you be a bit more specific and recomend a few titles ?  ???

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2006, 12:23:09 PM »
You are well aware of the work doe on the Infante by Ricardo Mateos are you not?


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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2006, 12:27:05 PM »
Yes...but not the French ones.