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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2005, 04:48:27 AM »
Queen Sophia is a cold , frozen person "iron eyes". She is respected by everybody in Spain but she has also detractors. What happens is that in Spain there is a kind of censure when talking about the royal family and it is forbiden in medias to criticise them. But everybody konws "things". Nobody ignores she takes all the decissions of the royal house. That she intrigued a lot to get the crown against her father in law. Coming fom aa operetta fake court, she did the impossible to pass over everybody.It is Forbiden to talk about the king infidelities, but everybody knows his affairs with actresses and singers:B. R  and P S B. even with another ex-queen!! when younger, Sophia flied to Greece with their children twice and was called to order
by the government. (nobody remembers).
     Her behaviour to other members of the royal family is to blame. Luis Alfonso , the Duke of Anjou, is a nice, humble man. He was not invited to any royal marriage. No member of the royal house at his own wedding. the bastard son of Alphonse XIII, recognised as Bourbon by law and his family doesn't exist to her. She was extremely intolerant with the girlfriends ofpoor Philippe.
Being a woman lack of charms, she adores stones. That's why she envy terribly the baronesa T.and this, who is a great woman, always goes to receptions where
the queen is wearing an irreal stone big like an egg.

      I suppose this is insupportable to see the ministers
flattering Titta. To receive her, she wears in black or grey, trying to appear simply majestatic. The mediocre tiara of Hannover, wich her grand mother wore while dinning with nazi generals is eclipsed by these Tita stones.

Her great culture. that is incredible. Nobody knows this woman, who speaks seven languages? and has difficulty to express herself in spanish. They speak english at home. when she visit museums or go to the Opera, she smile, any comment, that's all. If she smile, she is cultivated. Actually, she might be bored, absent, interested. Who knows? the stupidity is incredible when people want to beleive what is prepared to make believe.

            Sophie is a lie. It is a great lie, as other great lies of this world (the tolerance of the republique francaise with inmigrants) Idolos de barro.
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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2005, 09:56:50 AM »
She might not be perfect but Sofia cannot be blamed to for the treatment of Luis Alfonso. Juan Carlos's father Don Juan had issues with his brother Don Jamie, and did not get along with Alfonso, Jamie's son. It was his insistance that Alfonso's title of Duke of Cadiz to made lifetime only, thus prevented Alfonso's son Luis Alfonso from inheiting the title. (this information came from Ricardo Mateos who knew Spanish Royal history well)Queen Sofia was just toeing the offical family line.

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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2005, 10:58:13 PM »
A morganatic descendant of King Alfonso XIII shoud consider himself lucky he even manage dot get the title of Duke of Cadiz, last used by Queen Isabel II's husband.

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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2005, 10:59:43 PM »
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She might not be perfect but Sofia cannot be blamed to for the treatment of Luis Alfonso. Juan Carlos's father Don Juan had issues with his brother Don Jamie, and did not get along with Alfonso, Jamie's son. It was his insistance that Alfonso's title of Duke of Cadiz to made lifetime only, thus prevented Alfonso's son Luis Alfonso from inheiting the title. (this information came from Ricardo Mateos who knew Spanish Royal history well)Queen Sofia was just toeing the offical family line.


Beware of how you interpret what Ricardo has said...word of caution.

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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2005, 04:15:52 AM »
However , Alfonso has the right of claiming who he is.
He is precedent by male primogeniture. the first in direct male Bourbon line. Jaime's renounce was not very clear.
This was a private letter signature, but it was NOT ratified by the parliament (a mistake of alfonso XIII).
     He tricked to stole their rights to Ena's first sons for their haemophilia. both of them assured their renounces were fictious. (Memories of Emmanuela de Dampierre, diamonds of the crown, Juan Balansó).

                 Tell me. Is it possible not to invite to the marriage of the Prince his cousin, direct descendant of Louis XIV and of Saint Louis and to invite toreadors or
Farah Divas?  She is who makes the list. a woman could do that, but not a Queen.

Frederika. Do you know in Greece affiches were colled in the streets with her face in big size and the words "Beware, she could return"?
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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2005, 10:13:36 AM »
The renunciations signed by the Prince of Asturias and the Infante don Jaime were quite clear, not a single doubt as to what they both were signing.  To say the opposite is simply historically incorrect.

Your claim that PARLIAMENT did not ratyify the renunciations is baseless.  What Republican parliament was going to  get itself involved in ratifying anything done within the royal house while in exile?  in exile the epicenter of royal law was King Alfonso XIII and after his death in 1941 the Count of Barcelona.  They did so mindful of the laws in existence at the time of the monarchy's fall, upholding important laws such as the Pragmatica of Carlos III which was responsible for regulating marriages within the family.

Furthermore, to use the ramblings of Madame Sozzani and the gossipy works of the late Juan Balansó, whom I knew well, as your basis for these assertions is a big mistake.

Madame Sozzani has backed away from many of the things she wrote in her hateful book.

Don Luis Alfosno de Borbón and his aunt, Emanuela Pratolongo, were at the Prince of Asturias' wedding.  Empress Farah of Iran is a good friend of Their Majesties, others present, among them several bllfighters, are distinguished Spanish personalities and had a right to be there.

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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2005, 01:33:15 PM »
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Is it possible not to invite to the marriage of the Prince his cousin, direct descendant of Louis XIV and of Saint Louis and to invite toreadors or
Farah Divas?  She is who makes the list. a woman could do that, but not a Queen.


Why do you think Royals are better than the other human beings?
Royals are just humans like you and me, so they love and hate, do great and little things, do right and wrong things.
She may be a Queen but she is a woman first!
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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2005, 03:52:18 PM »
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Queen Sophia is a cold , frozen person "iron eyes". She is respected by everybody in Spain but she has also detractors. What happens is that in Spain there is a kind of censure when talking about the royal family and it is forbiden in medias to criticise them. But everybody konws "things". Nobody ignores she takes all the decissions of the royal house. That she intrigued a lot to get the crown against her father in law. Coming fom aa operetta fake court, she did the impossible to pass over everybody.It is Forbiden to talk about the king infidelities, but everybody knows his affairs with actresses and singers:B. R  and P S B. even with another ex-queen!! when younger, Sophia flied to Greece with their children twice and was called to order
by the government. (nobody remembers).
      Her behaviour to other members of the royal family is to blame. Luis Alfonso , the Duke of Anjou, is a nice, humble man. He was not invited to any royal marriage. No member of the royal house at his own wedding. the bastard son of Alphonse XIII, recognised as Bourbon by law and his family doesn't exist to her. She was extremely intolerant with the girlfriends ofpoor Philippe.
Being a woman lack of charms, she adores stones. That's why she envy terribly the baronesa T.and this, who is a great woman, always goes to receptions where
the queen is wearing an irreal stone big like an egg.

       I suppose this is insupportable to see the ministers
flattering Titta. To receive her, she wears in black or grey, trying to appear simply majestatic. The mediocre tiara of Hannover, wich her grand mother wore while dinning with nazi generals is eclipsed by these Tita stones.

Her great culture. that is incredible. Nobody knows this woman, who speaks seven languages? and has difficulty to express herself in spanish. They speak english at home. when she visit museums or go to the Opera, she smile, any comment, that's all. If she smile, she is cultivated. Actually, she might be bored, absent, interested. Who knows? the stupidity is incredible when people want to beleive what is prepared to make believe.

             Sophie is a lie. It is a great lie, as other great lies of this world (the tolerance of the republique francaise with inmigrants) Idolos de barro.


Only one line is correct in your otherwise stupifying insanely rambling post:"The stupidity is incredible when people want to believe what is prepared to make believe".
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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2005, 04:51:21 PM »
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Only one line is correct in your otherwise stupifying insanely rambling post:"The stupidity is incredible when people want to believe what is prepared to make believe".You.


Lucien,

please you don't need to be soo harsh with Crotalo. Everyone have their opinions and you must respect them. If you don't agree with Crotalo explain why she is wrong, using polite terms.
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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2005, 06:06:43 PM »
Dearest Grand Duke,I agree entirely that each is entitled to his/her opinion,but abusing the person of the Queen of Spain would really have called for your,no doubt,well intended request on my behalve.Freedom of speech is wonderfull,to abuse it is almost becoming "part of life"here there and everywhere,and I for one will simply not have it and will never respect that,ever.Usually I'm the easy going understanding kind,but not with this sort of posts and the people behind it.

Her post was/is entirely based on some marrequita's gossip,as was already hinted at by a previous poster.
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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2005, 08:34:04 PM »
Queen Sofia is a resptestable person and highly popular among the people of Spain. Although we all know that she is not a saint, but to put her in those terms is unnnessary.

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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2005, 04:21:31 AM »
Do you want me in jail? ;D
Lucien. If you want to see the mother and grandmother of Sophia with their arm saluting the glorious III Reich, you can see them, surroundend not by marrequita gossips precisely.

      not so clear. Alfonso was denied his pension and litterary starved in Miami. so he threatened this man who married a gorgeous blonde knowing what he knew and then escaped responsabilities. so he sent an ultimarum: the pension or the claims. and the pension was restaured. so not clear.Precisely for being in exile, the situation is irregular and no registered. A private letter has no legality.Over this, there are many persons who thinks the primogeniture comes from birth and ends with death. It is , no law can deny a heir who he is.
Maria Theresa of Habsbourg renounced her claims to marry louis XIV, and .....  Philippe V renounced his claims to the french throne, and.... he hoped death will bring him this crown.And this , being legal international treaties. so imagine.

What else? Tyranosaurus Rex Farah is a good friend of the royal family, and Noor a good friend of thequeen and better friend of the king.

The official biographies of both Sophia and Ena, were flattering compositions. This of sophia is an hagiography.
Glossip is lipstick? I don't want a crowned mummy. I prefer Margarita of Denmark. An my king is ALFONSO, DUKE OF ANJOU, LOUIS XX DE FRANCE,the most kind, respectfull, handsome and intelligent prince of Europe.

And don't treat me as a single person, for you know I am not alone with this oppinion.

   Vive le Roi! VIVA Alfonso XIV! Down the saint potato!

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  Monsieur le Grand Duc, vos joues sont un peu déclenchées. Eprouvez Kanebo, c'est nicquel. ;)
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« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2005, 04:36:17 AM »
This thread is about Reina Sofia,not about claimants,nor rambling de-composing posts.
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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2005, 09:52:20 AM »
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Do you want me in jail? ;D
Lucien. If you want to see the mother and grandmother of Sophia with their arm saluting the glorious III Reich, you can see them, surroundend not by marrequita gossips precisely.

       not so clear. Alfonso was denied his pension and litterary starved in Miami. so he threatened this man who married a gorgeous blonde knowing what he knew and then escaped responsabilities. so he sent an ultimarum: the pension or the claims. and the pension was restaured. so not clear.Precisely for being in exile, the situation is irregular and no registered. A private letter has no legality.Over this, there are many persons who thinks the primogeniture comes from birth and ends with death. It is , no law can deny a heir who he is.
Maria Theresa of Habsbourg renounced her claims to marry louis XIV, and .....  Philippe V renounced his claims to the french throne, and.... he hoped death will bring him this crown.And this , being legal international treaties. so imagine.

What else? Tyranosaurus Rex Farah is a good friend of the royal family, and Noor a good friend of thequeen and better friend of the king.

The official biographies of both Sophia and Ena, were flattering compositions. This of sophia is an hagiography.
Glossip is lipstick? I don't want a crowned mummy. I prefer Margarita of Denmark. An my king is ALFONSO, DUKE OF ANJOU, LOUIS XX DE FRANCE,the most kind, respectfull, handsome and intelligent prince of Europe.


First of all a warning, either be respectful to the topic at hand and the people discussed here or I will delete your posts.

As for the rest of your rambling...Certainly the Hannovers were lukewarm supporters of Hitler and his new regime, but would it surprise you to know that they were not the only ones who saw in this new government the hope of a restoration? The hope of a stronger Germany?  What National Sociliasm ended as was quite different from what is began as.

The Count of Covadonga was not starved in Miami.  He died because of a car accident brought about by heavy drinking and excessive partying with lewd women. Like many of his generation the fomer Prince of Astrias liked fast cars and faster women.  He was an embarrasment to his family, the dynasty and his people...a huge disappointment the poor boy he was.

The Pragmatica of Carlos III, you will be surprised to know, governed family issues within the Spanish royal family.  You violate the Pragmatica, you pay the consequences.  This law was in effect until 1987 for all intents and purposes whenit was finally superseded by the new constitution.  The Pragmatica demanded that as a member of the Spanish royal family you marry within certain circles.  Marriage outside these bounds earned serious consequences.  No one was above the law. It was the law of the land, plain and simple.

The Infanta Maria Teresa of Spain's renunciation upon marriage to Louis XIV became invalid, in the eyes of the French King, when Felipe IV and Carlos II failed to pay her dowry.  Carlos II chose his great-nephew the Duke d'Anjou as his heir, instead of his cousin Archduke Karl as had been expected.  These were internal court machinations that in the end had very little to do with the signing of renunciations.  Consequently, Spain, France and the Empire were embroiled in a long protracted war that cost all quite dearly.

Empress Farah and Queen Noor are delightful ladies.  why do you have this terrible dislike for them and not for far worst peaople among royalty escapes me.

You may be surprised to know that don Luis Alfonso was not born a prince and is certainly far away from being the most handsome, intelligent and well-prepared "prince" in Europe my kind lady.

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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2005, 02:11:37 PM »
not so clear. Alfonso was denied his pension and litterary starved in Miami. so he threatened this man who married a gorgeous blonde knowing what he knew and then escaped responsabilities."   so he sent an ultimarum: the pension or the claims.

Alfonso was not starved ... he died as the result of injuries (he was a hemophiliac) suffered in a car crash in Miami - he was in the car with Mildred Graydon - Merry Millie the Cigarette girl from a local club when the car crashed.   The count's death made the papers - and there are photos of the crash scene in the papers.
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