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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #330 on: December 27, 2012, 07:36:09 PM »
After being booted twice, George II of Greece was recalled after 11 years of exile. Other than that, I can't think of anything in the modern royal annals.
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« Reply #331 on: December 28, 2012, 11:00:23 AM »
Thanks for your reply.
It is indeed amazing how the House of Spain recovered its popularity after AXIII lost his in 1931, and especially after being out of power for two generations. It seems Spain becoming a republic in 1931 was only an accident, despite what the losers of the Spanish Civil War might say.

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« Reply #332 on: December 29, 2012, 02:31:46 AM »
I think Spain was unique. In the early 20th century you see the fall of absolute monarchy. The remaining monarchs were already constitutional  or rapidly becoming so. Those that couldn't/wouldn't adapt went the way of the dinosaur.

In Russia you saw the victory of the left who wanted nothing to do with the monarchy. In Spain's civil war you saw a victory for the right a collection of fascists and monarchists (who saw themselves of the patriotic continuation/restoration of Spain's glory) led by Franco. Franco realized the king had to go but wanted Spain to continue down that path. While Spain may have been a republic in name it was a dictatorship and knowing that he could not name himself king agreed to JC's return to Spain so Franco could teach JC the way Spain should be run (in his opinion and manner of course). He expected JC to continue the autocratic ways he had established and probably did a few flips and back flips in his grave when JC turned out to be a strong willed believer in constitutional monarchy.

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« Reply #333 on: December 31, 2012, 08:37:39 PM »
It was a very long time in coming, involving literally *years* worth of discussion among Franco, the Duke of Barcelona, Juan Carlos, and many others.  Franco eventually opened up to restoring Spain's monarchy, but never got on particularly well with the Duke of Barcelona.  Although he liked Juan Carlos very much, Franco also considered Alfonso, Duke of Cadiz as Spain's next monarch; Alfonso married Franco granddaughter. 

At the time of Juan Carlos' marriage to Sophia, the Duke of Barcelona was adamant that he was the heir to the monarchy.  Juan Carlos made it clear that he would not challenge his father's claim.  Eventually, the Duke of Barcelona relented, seeing that as Juan Carlos had Franco's affection, the monarchist cause would be executed far more successfully with Juan Carlos as the heir.  The Duke of Barcelona formally renounced his claim to the Spanish throne in 1977, nearly two years after his son became king.

Franco wished to groom Juan Carlos as very conservative successor, much in his own likeness.  Juan Carlos played along for a few years as Franco's health gradually became worse.  If Franco suspected that Juan Carlos was anything but completely supportive, he never let on.  After Franco's death, Juan Carlos began the work at bringing Spain out of a fascist state.

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« Reply #334 on: January 01, 2013, 12:10:10 AM »
It would seem a lot of people (perhaps the yonger generations that did not live under Franco) don't really understand how much HM King Juan Carlos had to do with returning Spain to a true democracy

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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #335 on: January 31, 2013, 03:02:08 PM »
The new biography on Queen Sophia, The Solitude Of The Queen, is fanning the flames. It’s claimed Juan Carlos, 74, is a serial philanderer who has  used his power to sleep with 1,500 women.

"Now it seems the gloves are off and the Spanish press is awash with reports of Juan Carlos’ alleged ­infidelities. The monarch received treatment for a lung tumour last year but it seems age and ill-health have not affected his voracious sexual appetite. Pilar Eyre, a respected author and journalist, claims in the new book that Juan Carlos’ most recent conquest is a young German translator. She also names several of the king’s other alleged mistresses.

Royalists in Spain fear the fallout could permanently damage the ­monarchy. Spain’s republican streak means affection for Juan Carlos does not always extend to the monarchy as an institution, raising doubts about its ability to outlive the septu­genarian king. For the king and queen to divorce is almost unthinkable in staunchly Catholic Spain. Like Andrew Morton’s book Diana: Her True Story the account emerging from Spain contains a remarkable level of detail about the strife in Spain’s royal family. Eyre states: “Queen Sofia is a woman betrayed and hurt by the man she once loved blindly. Her married life has been a real ­tragedy. Juan Carlos is a professional seducer and age has not slowed him down.”

The king is said to regularly receive vitamin injections and anti-ageing treatments to boost his libido.

Juan Carlos came to the throne in 1975 two days after General Franco’s death and is credited with transforming Spain from a fascist dictatorship into a modern democracy.
In 1962 he had married Princess Sofia of Greece and Denmark. Eyre claims the marriage effectively ended in 1976 when Sofia, daughter of the last king of Greece, took their children for a surprise visit to her husband at a friend’s country house near Toledo. She arrived to find the king’s favourite pet dog roaming free and the home-owner frantically barring her route. Sofia burst in and caught her husband with his lover, a well-known Spanish actress.

A few days later a distraught Sofia took the children and stormed out of the Zarzuela Palace near Madrid, the royal couple’s principal residence, and spent 10 days in India with her mother, the exiled Queen Frederika of Greece. Sofia intended to separate but ­Frederika advised her to stand by her man, warning: “Do you want to end up living in the south of France like so many other former kings and queens, being paid to liven up the parties of the newly rich?”

Sofia returned to Madrid but from then on reserved her affection for her dogs and her children, notably Crown Prince Felipe. The book claims Sofia, 73, suffered in dignified silence as Juan Carlos, who has a fleet of 70 vehicles including Franco’s old Rolls-Royce, continued to enjoy a playboy lifestyle. One fling is said to have been with an interior decorator from Mallorca, where members of the royal family spend their summer holidays. The king is said to have had a particular penchant for blondes. It’s said Sofia’s chauffeur, named only as Gaudencio, had to ­pretend not to notice when she was ­crying in the back of the car. The queen could not count on her Spanish female friends because she could never be sure they had not slept with her husband.

Despite being married to an allegedly insatiable Lothario the queen is said to have remained faithful. But it’s reported she has had the living quarters in their official residence rearranged so she is not even on the same level as her errant husband. Eyre adds: “In this country it is a feather in your cap to be successful with women. In spite of his disloyal behaviour towards his wife he is still more popular than her. Their backgrounds made them an ideal couple but in reality they were chalk and cheese....From the moment she first ­discovered her husband’s infidelity Sofia put on a mask. Now they barely speak. Her only real goal is preparing her son to become king. She has no friends, no one to confide in and fears she is being spied on. “The king is surrounded by a clique. Everyone loves him.” Last year Sofia raised eyebrows when she did not attend her husband’s hospital bedside...Sofia will continue to do her duty but Eyre, who has exposed the 50-year-old marriage as a sham, says: “She is the loneliest woman in Spain.”"

This is all just so sad. Queen Sophia always struck me as a kind and gentle woman--what misery to put up with for decades. They made such a good-looking couple (not that that indicates anything) back in the day. She was never a great beauty but I always thought she had a pretty, girl-next-door appeal and a lovely demeanor.

Given the 2 on-going scandals--this tawdry, if personal, business and the political/criminal scandal involving Juan Carlos's son-in-law Inaki--is there any speculation that Juan Carlos might follow the recent example (albeit under VERY different circumstances) of Queen Beatrix and abdicate? Perhaps a fresh start with the well-liked Felipe & Letitzia might staunch some of the bad publicity?
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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #336 on: January 31, 2013, 05:17:51 PM »
 Erm... I read two books she wrote : The one of Empress Eugenie of France and Ena and if this """"biography"""" its like them....yuck! No worthto  read

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« Reply #337 on: January 31, 2013, 06:02:22 PM »
Trashy material from the likes of National Enquirer.

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« Reply #338 on: January 31, 2013, 08:25:31 PM »

A few days later a distraught Sofia took the children and stormed out of the Zarzuela Palace near Madrid, the royal couple’s principal residence, and spent 10 days in India with her mother, the exiled Queen Frederika of Greece. Sofia intended to separate but ­Frederika advised her to stand by her man, warning: “Do you want to end up living in the south of France like so many other former kings and queens, being paid to liven up the parties of the newly rich?”


Compared to living with an unfaithful husband and having to spend the last almost-40 years putting on a brave face...this doesn't seem like a bad option, if you ask me.

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« Reply #339 on: February 01, 2013, 08:15:20 AM »
Well...Her name sake and grandmother had to do both.

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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #340 on: February 01, 2013, 06:35:51 PM »
The book may be Kitty Kelleyish but it does seem common knowledge now of the King's infidelities. I didn't mention the Princess Diana stuff because that seemed too tabloidy. Just from the perspective of the damage caused to the monarchy by the revelations of his affairs (brought to glaring attention after his hunting accident) combined with Inaki's trial, how bad is it for the monarchy in Spain in the public perception?
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« Reply #341 on: February 01, 2013, 11:45:25 PM »
It is well known that the King has a roving eye for the ladies and Diana wasn't the only one. In fact, Queen Sophia makes a lot of of trips aboard and spent time with her family and Greek relatives. The way Queen Alexandra used to do.

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« Reply #342 on: February 02, 2013, 05:06:42 PM »
The book may be Kitty Kelleyish but it does seem common knowledge now of the King's infidelities. I didn't mention the Princess Diana stuff because that seemed too tabloidy. Just from the perspective of the damage caused to the monarchy by the revelations of his affairs (brought to glaring attention after his hunting accident) combined with Inaki's trial, how bad is it for the monarchy in Spain in the public perception?

The Monarchy has been severely undermined bt the "Caso Noos" as the Undangarin scandal is known.  The King´s approval ratings are at their lowest ebb, not helped by his ill fated safari trip.  The fact that the Infanta is also involved in the impropriety is an added negative factor.  In a country with 6 million unemployed, an imploding economy and Cataln independence movements at an all time high it is a difficult situation to rise above.  The Queen´s Christmas shopping trip to London was also criticized.  She apparently spent thousands on daily 8 hour trips to Harrods...  The only figure who appears to be keeping his head above water is the Principe of Asturias who celebrated his 45th birthday last week.  Many monarchists are asking if it is not time to hand over the crown to him to save the dynasty and the crown.  Quite a worrying situation in the midst of economic hell and a generally discredited political class.

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Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« Reply #343 on: February 02, 2013, 06:11:01 PM »
If the King had some sense in his head, he would abdicate now.

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« Reply #344 on: February 03, 2013, 12:50:57 PM »
I don't think his son is ready. Abdication is not a good thing for the monarchy. I haven't seen any abdication that is successful in Spain, and the only ones have to do with health not age.