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King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« on: March 19, 2005, 06:57:14 AM »
The queen Dowager of Belgium is of spanish decent her family were one a monachy which ruled the now annaxed kingdom of Aragon in northan Spain.

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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2005, 02:32:19 PM »
Fabiola de Mora y Aragon...didn't know that her ancestors were the rulers of Aragon!

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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2005, 03:42:37 PM »
yes her ancester Cathrine of Aragon was the first wife of Henry VIII of England. the kingdom was annaxed when Spain was united by Ferdinand and Isabella the family now have the title duke and duchess of Aragon the present Duke is Fabiola,s brother.

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2005, 04:01:46 PM »
Thanks,you know something more about her ancestors?Is she and in what way relted to European royal families?

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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2005, 04:53:32 PM »
she was born in 1928 the daughter of the duke and duchess of Aragon in 1931 Spain became a republic and the family fled they later returned to spain when franco came to power Fabiola worked as a nurse for many years but at the age of 30 she was still unmarried she had met king Boadoin of Belgium at a state Galla he was unmarried and chiledless they married in 1960 Fabiola had many miscaridges but only one is offcial when they made a visit to the pope he blessed her and promist to be its godfarther but the baby was still born they had no children. Boadoin abdicated in 1990 rather that sine a law that legalised abortion both she and Boadoin were devout cathlics but this move made them unpopular Boudoin was restored a month later and the law was past he died in spain in 1993 at the age of 63. Fabiola was devistated by this loss she is the paitren of many childrens charitys she offen said thr belgian people were her children. Boadoin was succeded by his brother Albert who married a beautifful Italian princess Dona Paola de Callibrii the press have offern reported on an extreemly strained relaitionship between the too her son is married to a Polish countess. Fabiola was said to be unhappy that the royal line will be carried on by Paola and Albert not Boadoin and herself she is now retied from public life.

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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2005, 06:02:49 PM »
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she was born in 1928 the daughter of the duke and duchess of Aragon in 1931 Spain became a republic and the family fled they later returned to spain when franco came to power Fabiola worked as a nurse for many years but at the age of 30 she was still unmarried she had met king Boadoin of Belgium at a state Galla he was unmarried and chiledless they married in 1960 Fabiola had many miscaridges but only one is offcial when they made a visit to the pope he blessed her and promist to be its godfarther but the baby was still born they had no children. Boadoin abdicated in 1990 rather that sine a law that legalised abortion both she and Boadoin were devout cathlics but this move made them unpopular Boudoin was restored a month later and the law was past he died in spain in 1993 at the age of 63. Fabiola was devistated by this loss she is the paitren of many childrens charitys she offen said thr belgian people were her children. Boadoin was succeded by his brother Albert who married a beautifful Italian princess Dona Paola de Callibrii the press have offern reported on an extreemly strained relaitionship between the too her son is married to a Polish countess. Fabiola was said to be unhappy that the royal line will be carried on by Paola and Albert not Boadoin and herself she is now retied from public life.


Are you absolutely sure of this?

There are nearly 190 duchies in the Spanish monarchy, most of them are held by someone, many people hold more than one duchy, like the Duchess of Alba for example, or the Duchess of Medinaceli - two od the most titled aristocrats in Europe.

The parents of doña Fabiola de Mora y Aragón were don Gonzalo de Mora y Fernández, Marqués de Casa Riera, Count of Mora (the Marquisate of Casa Riera was granted to his ancestor in 1834 by Queen Regent María Cristina, mothe rof Isabel II), and doña Blanca de Aragón y Carrillo de Albornoz.  This "Aragón" family is not the same as that of Queen Isabella I of Castille and King Ferdinand V of Aragón, parents of Henry VIII's wife.

There is no Dukedom of Aragón in the Spanish nobility.

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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2005, 08:15:14 PM »
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she was born in 1928 the daughter of the duke and duchess of Aragon in 1931 Spain became a republic and the family fled they later returned to spain when franco came to power Fabiola worked as a nurse for many years but at the age of 30 she was still unmarried she had met king Boadoin of Belgium at a state Galla he was unmarried and chiledless they married in 1960 Fabiola had many miscaridges but only one is offcial when they made a visit to the pope he blessed her and promist to be its godfarther but the baby was still born they had no children. Boadoin abdicated in 1990 rather that sine a law that legalised abortion both she and Boadoin were devout cathlics but this move made them unpopular Boudoin was restored a month later and the law was past he died in spain in 1993 at the age of 63. Fabiola was devistated by this loss she is the paitren of many childrens charitys she offen said thr belgian people were her children. Boadoin was succeded by his brother Albert who married a beautifful Italian princess Dona Paola de Callibrii the press have offern reported on an extreemly strained relaitionship between the too her son is married to a Polish countess. Fabiola was said to be unhappy that the royal line will be carried on by Paola and Albert not Boadoin and herself she is now retied from public life.


King Baudouin (1930-1993) abdicated for one day, in agreement with the government, when abortion was legalized in Belgium.  The government recognized that the King being a deeply catholic person, this was not a sanction he could put his suignature on, and rather than cause a constitutional crisis, they agreed that he would abdicate for 24 hours, hence the law never received a royal signature and the King resumed the throne the following day.

Queen Fabiola, who I have had the honor of meeting, continues to carry our a considerable number of royal duties, both in Belgium and abroad.  Whenever foreign dignitaries visit Brussels, Queen Fabiola is always present at official functions at the Royal Palace, for example.  She always attends the various concerts hosted at the palace as well.  Last year she also led the belgian delegation to the beatification of Emperor Karl of Austria, which was celebrated by His Holiness at the Vatican.

Fabiola is a very different type of person than Paola, a more vivacious and more fun-loving character, not as old-style Catholic as Queen Fabiola.  Hence their character differences.

King Albert II of the belgians married Italian-born Princess Paola Ruffo di Calabria in 1959.  They had three children: Philippe, Astrid and Laurent.  Philippe is not married to a Polish Countess, rather hiis wife is the former Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz, by whom he has two children: Elisabeth and Gabriel.  Princess Mathilde's father, a Belgian aristocrat, was made a Count by King Albert II when Mathilde married Philippe - in fact the entire d'Udekem d'Acoz family were made counts and countesses.  Mathilde's mother, Countess Anne-Marie Komorowski, is from a polish countal family.

Philippe's sister, Astrid, is married to Archduke Lorenz of Austria-Este and they have three daughters and two sons, all with succession rights in Belgium, as well as in Austria.  Albert and Paola's youngest son Laurent, is married to Claire Coombs and they have a baby daughter by the name of Louise.

As a member of the press, I went to Philippe and Laurent's weddings in 1999 and 2003, respectively.  Both were extensively covered by my magazine, The European Royal History Journal, and I was also on belgian television commenting on the events of both days.

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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2005, 03:13:25 AM »
Im am not saying that Fabiola is not a nice person as you said she and Paola are very different people Paola had a bit of a wild teenagehood while Fabiola was at school then went in to nursing i no she did a lot of charity work and made a lot of state visits one on womens rights to china. I thought she is much less active in public life now though see does atend state functions and weddings :)

her brother and parents might be marques'es i thought it was duke never the less they were one a royalfamily in there own right.


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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2005, 11:22:16 AM »
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Im am not saying that Fabiola is not a nice person as you said she and Paola are very different people Paola had a bit of a wild teenagehood while Fabiola was at school then went in to nursing i no she did a lot of charity work and made a lot of state visits one on womens rights to china. I thought she is much less active in public life now though see does atend state functions and weddings :)

her brother and parents might be marques'es i thought it was duke never the less they were one a royalfamily in there own right.


Tha Old royal family of Aragón had a "last name" - TRASTAMARA.  The last person of this name was Queen Juana the mad of Castille, daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella (both Trastamaras), mother of Emperor Carlos V.

The only Spanish dukedom that can claim direct descent from the Castille royal family are the Dukes of Medinaceli - whose founder was Infante don Fernando de Castilla, eldest son of King Alfonso X, "the Wise," and of Violante de Aragón.  Infante don Fernando predeceased his father, but from his marriage to Blanche of France, Fernando left a son, Infante don Alfonso, who should have succeded his grandfather Alfonso X.  Instead when Alfonso X died his second son Inafnte don Sancho proclaimed himself King of Castille and dethroned his child nephew, Alfonso, who never ruled, and who escaped to Aragón, where he became the prisoner of the King of Aragón, his uncle.

Infante Alfonso married Nahal de Narbonne and his son Luis, known by the sobriquet of de la Cerda, a pacifist, he never claimed his father's lost throne.  His successor was a daughter, Isabel de la Cerda, to whom King Enrique II of Castille gave in recognitioni the County of Medinaceli.  Isabel, Countess of Medinaceli married Bernard de Béarn, an illegitimate son of Gastón de Foix, from the ruling family of Navarre, and they were the parents of don Gastón de Béarn y de la Cerda, II Count of Medinaceli.  He married doña Mencía de Mendoza, a Spanish aristocrat, and was the father of Luis de la Cerda (who took his grandmother's last ame), III Count of Medinaceli.  Luis de la Cerda's grandson, don Luis de la Cerda y de la Vega, V Count of Medinaceli was given the title of DUKE of Medinaceli, by his "cousin" Queen Isabel I of Castille on 31 October 1479.

Queen Fabiola's brother, don Jaime, was a bon vivant, who spent most of his life doing not much but attending many parties in Marbella and around Europe, always dressing up in magnificent costumes with orders and honors which had never been granted to him...he was a lovable buffoon, never really welcome in Brussels due tohis eccentricities, which always caused Queen Fabiola much embarrassment.

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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2005, 11:44:31 AM »
Don jaime was an actor (whether he was a succesful one i dont no )he married firstly a mexican actrace the photo of him was taken at the independance celebration for Brunie with his second swedish wife in 1984( what he an Aragonese aristocrat had to do with Brunie is anyones gess) i dont think ive ever seen pictures of him at any offical functions in Belgium.

spanish History is very complicated the hole of the iberian pernisula was united in 1580 Portugal acheived independance again in 1640 and John duke of braganza became John VI. The kingdom of Garlicia i think conquered Leon and castil and later drove out the muslim Moors from Granada. The Kingdom of Aragon which was made up of todays states of Aragon, Valencia and Catalonia split in two a branch of the family ruled the kingdom of Majorca the last king Jaime III was deposed in 1343 and the Island was ceeded to Aragon. Navarra where the Basque People are from remained semmi inderpendant untill 1874 for a long time the kings of spain were also kings of Navarra. spain was ruled be the spanish Hapsbergs from the Holly Roman Empire then by the Bourbons of France apart from a short spell of Boanaparte rule and  two short republics. Arfter the 1931 revalution when Franco came to power he supprest all of spain's Langauges and made every one speek Castilian any one speeking Garlician, Catalan or Basque were shot this was espacely true of the Basques Franco was not so much a Facist but a narow minded reactionary who simply refused to exept the changing world around him spain suffered greatly for this out of touch way of governing. Spain became a monachy again in 1947 but it was not until 1975 that the king was head of state when the country was opended up in 1975 people were shocked at the conditions they founed. Juan Carlos did prove that he was equal to the task of moderising and inproving the conditions of a country that was still in the same state that it hade been in in 1939 Spain and Portugal which had been under an even worse dictatorship since 1926 joined the europian commuity in 1986 and were able to beacome some of the most succesful Europian Countrys in the community, :)
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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2005, 12:01:15 PM »


Hi again!

Although this is quite an old message, I would like to reply in order to trace Queen Fabiola's ancestry until we reach her royal ancestors from the Spanish royal branch of the Aragon Crown.

King Juan II of Aragon (1398-1479), who was father of Ferdinand the Catholic and Queen Eleanor of Navarre, fathered an illegitimate daughter by  a woman called Leonor de Ansa:

1. Leonor de Aragón (1450-1511; she was a half-sister of Ferdinand the Catholic). She married in 1467 Louis II de Beaumont (1447-1508), whom I don't really know if he was count or duke of Beaumont, France. They had issue:

2. Luis III de Beaumont (1470-1530), who married Brianda Manrique de Lara (1473-1548) in 1486. They had issue:

3. Pedro de Beaumont (1488-1539), who married María de Corres (1491-1566) in 1510. They had issue:

4. Catalina de Beaumont (1511-1575), who married Carlos Ayanz de Navarra (1504-1559) in 1530. They had issue:

5. Francisco Ayanz de Navarra y de Beaumont (1533-1592), who married Antonia de Castro (1540-1601) in 1554. They had issue:

6. Jerónimo Ayanz de Navarra y Castro (1560-1631), who married Cristina de Ureizábal (1562-1610) in 1576. After this marriage proved barren, being Jerónimo a widower, he married his niece Margarita María de Guzmán y Ayanz de Navarra (1595-1686) in 1611.  They had issue:

7. María Antonia Ayanz de Navarra y Guzmán (1620-1699), who married her cousin Gaspar de Elio y Guzmán (1609-1668) in 1638. They had issue:

8. José Sebastián de Elio y Ayanz de Navarra (1645-1702), who married Carlota Felipina de Zendra y Pellisette (1650-1713) in 1667. They had issue:

9. Tomás Francisco María de Elio y de Zendra (1671-1739), who married his cousin María Francisca de la Torre y de Zendra (1679-1746) in 1698. They had issue:

10. Francisco de Elio y de la Torre (1700-1755), who married María Teresa Josefa Berenguer y Despujols (1703-1779) in 1723. They had issue:

11. Fausto Joaquín de Elio y Berenguer (1730-1801), who married Ana María de Doria y Marcoso (1731-1782) in 1758. They had issue:

12. Francisco Javier de Elio y Doria (1762-1833), who married María Carmela de Alda y de Ybarra (1768-1855) in 1782. They had issue:

13. Fausto León de Elio y de Alda (1794-1882), who married María Teresa de Jesús de Aybalde y Urrestarazu (1800-1852) in 1818. They had issue, all dead in childhood. Because of this Fausto remarried in 1853. This time his wife was one of his nieces, María Micaela del Amparo de Magallón y de Elio (1835-1907). They had issue:

14. María Micaela del Pilar de Elio y de Magallón (1853-1930), who married Anastasio Carrillo de Albornoz y Dexeus (1834-1871) in 1868. They had issue:

15. María Blanca Carrillo de Albornoz y de Elio (1869-1935), who married César de Aragón y Barroeta-Aldemar (1864-1954) in 1891. They had issue:

16. María Blanca de Aragón y Carrillo de Albornoz (1892-1974), who married Gonzalo José Mora y Fernández (1887-1957) in 1916. They had issue:

17. Fabiola Fernanda María de las Victorias Antonia Adelaida Mora y de Aragón (1928-), who married Baudouin I (1930-1993), King of the Belgians in 1960. No issue was born from the marriage.

Although some of the info that I have here was not taken out from a totally reliable source (for example the wives of numbers 8 and 9 or the first wife and children of number 12), the lineage can be traced following the principal line. Hope to have helped you!!

PD. For heaven's sake!! How could Queen Fabiola be Queen Catherine of Aragon's descendant if all of Catherine's children died in infancy or birth except for Mary I (1516-1558), who died childless!!
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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2005, 02:42:02 AM »
i said Fabiola was decended from the Aragon royal family
who queen cathrine was from not directly decended from her!

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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2005, 07:05:11 AM »
Here is the royal lineage of Fabiola Mora y de Aragón (1928-), wife of Baudouin I:




King Juan II of Aragon (1398-1479), who was father of Ferdinand the Catholic and Queen Eleanor of Navarre, fathered an illegitimate daughter by  a woman called Leonor de Ansa:

1. Leonor de Aragón (1450-1511; she was a half-sister of Ferdinand the Catholic). She married in 1467 Louis II de Beaumont (1447-150, whom I don't really know if he was count or duke of Beaumont, France. They had issue:

2. Luis III de Beaumont (1470-1530), who married Brianda Manrique de Lara (1473-154 in 1486. They had issue:

3. Pedro de Beaumont (1488-1539), who married María de Corres (1491-1566) in 1510. They had issue:

4. Catalina de Beaumont (1511-1575), who married Carlos Ayanz de Navarra (1504-1559) in 1530. They had issue:

5. Francisco Ayanz de Navarra y de Beaumont (1533-1592), who married Antonia de Castro (1540-1601) in 1554. They had issue:

6. Jerónimo Ayanz de Navarra y Castro (1560-1631), who married Cristina de Ureizábal (1562-1610) in 1576. After this marriage proved barren, being Jerónimo a widower, he married his niece Margarita María de Guzmán y Ayanz de Navarra (1595-1686) in 1611.  They had issue:

7. María Antonia Ayanz de Navarra y Guzmán (1620-1699), who married her cousin Gaspar de Elio y Guzmán (1609-166 in 1638. They had issue:

8. José Sebastián de Elio y Ayanz de Navarra (1645-1702), who married Carlota Felipina de Zendra y Pellisette (1650-1713) in 1667. They had issue:

9. Tomás Francisco María de Elio y de Zendra (1671-1739), who married his cousin María Francisca de la Torre y de Zendra (1679-1746) in 1698. They had issue:

10. Francisco de Elio y de la Torre (1700-1755), who married María Teresa Josefa Berenguer y Despujols (1703-1779) in 1723. They had issue:

11. Fausto Joaquín de Elio y Berenguer (1730-1801), who married Ana María de Doria y Marcoso (1731-1782) in 1758. They had issue:

12. Francisco Javier de Elio y Doria (1762-1833), who married María Carmela de Alda y de Ybarra (1768-1855) in 1782. They had issue:

13. Fausto León de Elio y de Alda (1794-1882), who married María Teresa de Jesús de Aybalde y Urrestarazu (1800-1852) in 1818. They had issue, all dead in childhood. Because of this Fausto remarried in 1853. This time his wife was one of his nieces, María Micaela del Amparo de Magallón y de Elio (1835-1907). They had issue:

14. María Micaela del Pilar de Elio y de Magallón (1853-1930), who married Anastasio Carrillo de Albornoz y Dexeus (1834-1871) in 1868. They had issue:

15. María Blanca Carrillo de Albornoz y de Elio (1869-1935), who married César de Aragón y Barroeta-Aldemar (1864-1954) in 1891. They had issue:

16. María Blanca de Aragón y Carrillo de Albornoz (1892-1974), who married Gonzalo José Mora y Fernández (1887-1957) in 1916. They had issue:

17. Fabiola Fernanda María de las Victorias Antonia Adelaida Mora y de Aragón (1928-), who married Baudouin I (1930-1993), King of the Belgians in 1960. No issue was born from the marriage.

Although some of the info that I have here was not taken out from a totally reliable source (for example the wives of numbers 8 and 9 or the first wife and children of number 12), the lineage can be traced following the principal line.
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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2005, 07:07:36 AM »
 :o :o :o

Thanks umigon! I had no idea Queen Fabiola was of such noble lineage, though I did suspect the 'Aragon' in her name meant something . . .
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Re: King Baudouin & Queen Fabiola (nee Spain) of Belgium
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2005, 03:25:37 PM »
From the looks of what Umigon posted, Fabiola is a distant cousin/relative to Catherine of Aragon, the first wife of England's Henry VIII. ;)
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