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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2005, 08:12:54 PM »
In 1888, Princess Isabel signed the law that abolished slavery (Lei Áurea). It was one of the determinant factors for the fall of Brazilian Monarchy.

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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2005, 09:59:56 AM »
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Grand Duke,thanks so much!I never saw these paintings!Also,one question:Who is the rightfull heir to Brazilian throne?Pedro Gastao whose mother was Dobrzensky von Dobrzenitz Countess of Prince Louis(maybe a name mistake) who married Bavarian Princess?



Dom Pedro de Alcantâra d'Orleans-Braganca signed a renunciation in order to marry Countess Elisabeth Dobrzensky de Dobrzenics.  This was a morganatic marriage and thus his progeny were excluded from the succession line.

Dom Luiz, his next brother, therefore became the heir to the Brazilian dynastic rights of the Princess Imperial.  At his death, dom Luiz' rights were inherited by his son Prince dom Pedro Henrique, who eventually married Princess Maria of Bavaria - they are the parents of the present Brazilian heir, Dom Luiz.

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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2005, 12:54:15 PM »
Empress Tereza Cristina had a defect in a leg (lame) and Pedro II only discovered after the wedding. It isn't gossip.

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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2005, 04:10:36 PM »
Very interesting...That was a ''royal'' problem through the centuries as a result of intermarriage!

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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2005, 06:18:23 PM »


  Marc,

 Maybe !!!

  The Royal Family is very popular here in Brazil and there is a Railway  ,Tereza Cristina ,on  her homage.
  Years ago(2000), in a popular referendum the Presidential system won Monarchy's aspiration.

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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2005, 10:08:15 PM »
Arturo: Princess Isabel had a miscarriage before 1875... probably early 1870's and she visited many spas in Europe to "cure" her inability to produce children, quite different to her sister Leopoldine, who had 4 sons in such a small period of time.

Talking about Leopoldine... Pedro I's wife was also a Leopoldine: Archduchess Leopoldine of Austria and it is because of this marriage that Brazil's flag is yellow and green, being yellow from the house of Habsburg and green from the house of Braganca.

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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2005, 05:24:29 PM »
Ha,such interesting informations...Thanks!If you have any other,please post it!

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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2005, 07:35:51 AM »
Someone told me that there had been a vote several years ago to see how Brazil felt about bringing back it's Imperial family.Does anyone know much about this vote?

Pablo, is this the referendum you're refering to? Do you know what percentage of the population supported a return of the monarchy?

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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2005, 12:59:16 AM »
The royal family name was Braganca and they were reigning in Portugal since 1640. The regent was Joao Vi because his mother, Maria I was mad at the time that Napoleon Bonaparte was going to invade Portugal and imprison the royal family, but fortunately, Portugal had a secret alliance with England (enemy of Napoleon) that helped the family to escape to Brazil witn some financial help. When they first arrived in Rio de Janeiro in 1808, people were amazed, because never ever a royal family menber have visisted brazil before. It was a major change in the routine and habits of this society. What happened next is that there were made changes in the city to accomodate not only the royal family but the whole aristocracy that fled within. When Napoleon finally invaded Portugal, he was furious, because Lisbon was a famine city where all the richness and money had fled to Brazil.

Joao was married to the Spanish princess Carlota Joaquina since 1785 and had several children. In 1816 Maria died and finally Joao became king but the same year he was forced to create a kind of United Kingdom of Brazil and Portugal. The next year, his eldest son, Pedro married Archduchess Leopoldine of Austria.

In 1821 within political complications in Portugal mainly because of the absence of the royal family for more than 13 years, Joao and his family had finally to return to Lisbon (much to his dismay, because he fell in love with Brazil and left Rio de Janeiro completely heartbroken). Hel left his son Pedro as regent in Brazil and now comes the complicated bit, because history books says that Pedro (influenced by liberal politics) decided to declare Brazil independent on 7 September 1822, but what really happened according to proven documents was that Joao (his father) was well aware of the fact and completely agreed with it. Of course England was behind the scenes making the best of it.

Well, Pedro in Brazil had several children, including the eldest Maria da Gloria and the youngest, Pedro (future Pedro II). Pedro was crowned Pedro I of Brazil, but in 1826 his father dies and he engines a plan to keep both countries in the family: he send his daughter (7 years of age) to Lisbon to contract marriage with her uncle, Prince Miguel (18 years her senior), but influenced by his mother, Carlota Joaquina, Miguel decided not to marry his niece and insted declared himself king of Portugal.
Pedro in Brazil was forced then to leave Brazil and his 5 year old son (that only happened in 1830, 4 years later) behind and for the next 4 years he fought his own brother in what was called the Miguelist war (1830-1834) with the result of Miguel being expelled (he fled to Austria) and Pedro's final victory, but dying of tuberculosis the same year. So, his daugther was crowned Maria II in 1834.

I hope I helped to clear your questions.
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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2005, 01:02:47 AM »
hi jeremy....

the referendum was done in 1993 but unfortunatley due to the royal family feud against each other and the republican media, the general public really couldnt understand the importance of becoming an empire again, so monarchy was way a looser in that referendum.  Cant remenber the percentage, but can tell you that was very low indeed  :-[
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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2005, 12:05:40 PM »
Jeremy,

The percentage was 10,2 % of the population.

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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2005, 08:58:23 AM »
Prince_Leo, a late thanks for your informations. :)
Do you know how many people moved with the royal family? And did the nobility  build new houses or move into old ones..Does there exist a Brazilian nobility?

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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2005, 12:39:51 PM »

hi kmerov

Dont have that info about the exact nr of the aristocrats that fled with the royal familuy, but can tell you that was quite a lot, as i said, when Boanparte arrived in Lisbon ready to steal and explore as much as he can, he was very very angry because all the richness had fled with the royal family only staying the mass.

About the accomodation was something quite funny actually: because Brazil was taken by surprise by their arrival, nothing was prepared and actually the royal family was lodged at first at the house of Governor of Rio de Janeiro. What happened was the middle class was "politely" asked to hand over their house to the "homeless" nobility and as a favour, D Joao (Regent Prince) granted so many new noble titles that almost "everybody" became noble all of sudden. And their titles was quite amusing, like for example a farmer that use to sell hens was granted the title: Conde Cantagalo (something liked Count of Rooster!!!!). This "new" brazilian aristocracy wasnt hereditary, so as their holders were dying, so were the titles, so we dont have a brazilian aritocracy nowadays, only the royla family that was split in 2 branches...but thats ANOTHER STORY  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2005, 04:12:33 PM »
Hello all members
 
They way the split between 2 branches happened is easy and sometimes misunderstood.

After Pedro II and his family were exlied from Brazil, they sailed to Europe. Empress Tereza Cristina died "en route" at Porto of a broken heart (as some say). So Pedro, his daughter Isabel with husband Prince Gaston of Orleans and their 3 sons: Prince Pedro (1875-1940), Prince Luis (1878-1920) and Prince Antonio (1881-1918) and also Princess Leopoldine's son: Prince Pedro of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (1866-1934) traveled to Paris. From there the family split: the ex-Emperor opted to stay in Paris in a hotel (always visited by so many of his subjects!!), his daugther with Gaston and their 3 sons moved to Eu (a city in France where Gaston had a castle from his family), whilst Pedro of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha went to meet his father in Vienna (Pedro of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha never married).

In 1891 Pedro II died in Paris, and Princess Isabel became the head of the family and her eldest son, Pedro, her heir. Nine years passed and at 25 he met the Czech Countess Elizabeth Dobrzensky von Dobrzenicz. Princess Isabel was happy for her son but sad because according to the succession law, Elizabeth's family wasn't considered of equal birth (they didn't belong to the first part of Almanach de Gotha). Their engagement dragged for long eight years and finally they got married. Days before the wedding, Pedro signed a document renouncing to his rights for the Brazilian crown for himself and his descedants and that's the major dispute, because years later the family sustains that, since there wasn't a monarchy in Brazil anymore in 1908, the document is not legally valid.

The same year, Pedro's brother, Luiz married his cousin, Princess Maria Pia of Bourbon-Two Sicilies. Not only was he the next heir after his brother's renunciation, but he made a splendid match. Next year he had his first son (Pedro Henrique 1909-1981).

Prince Pedro's first daughter was born in 1911 (Princess Isabella 1911-2003) and in 1913 finally a son (Prince Pedro Gaston 1913).

well...from here there's a "world of lives" happening and many years passed until the family was granted the right to live in Brazil again (1940) and from there both branches decided to settle down. The elder branch (Pedro's line) live in Petropolis (old imperial city) and still holds the leasing of the whole city (kind of medieval vassal right of the land) while the younger branch (Luiz's branch) moved to Vassouras (in the same state - Rio de Janeiro).

In 1993 Brazil had a plebiscit to decide in favor or against the monarchy, but unfortnately only 10% of the population voted for that system. There were long talks about whom in fact should be nominated as presumptive heir... but it was just speculation, once everything is long dead now about kings and queens in Brazil.

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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2005, 04:19:11 PM »
Nice pic of empress Tereza Cristina (1822-1889). She was daughter of King Francis of Naples and his second wife, Princess Maria Isabella of Spain.

Tereza Cristina came to Brazil dreaming about his "charming Prince". The same happened with her fiancee, but in opposite effect: Pedro II almost fainted when saw his bride for the first time. He held his old nanny hands and asked her to take him from there (laugh). He was 18 years old then.

What happened is that they were really good hearted people and both worked hard for the marriage and in many ways they were happy with each other. She had some miscarriages and 2 sons who died in childhood, but they educated very well their 2 daugthers: Isabel and Leopoldine (1847-1871).
Tereza Cristina truly loved Brazil and after the exile she couldn't bear the fact that she would never return. She died "en route" to Paris. She died in Porto, Portugal.
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