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Offline kmerov

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Re: Correct family name of the dynasty
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2009, 06:08:26 PM »
No, they were never called that, nor did they have a part of the Duchies that was called Schleswig-Holstein-Glückstadt.
But the royal part of the Duchies was sometimes known as Schleswig-Holstein-Glückstadt. (Because it was administered from Glückstadt 1649-1834 (since 1713 only the Holsteinian part).)

Ok, you were taking about the Danish Oldenburgs. The royal parts of the Duchies were mainly called just that, and the central administration of them was in Copenhagen. But yes, the Kings part in Holstein was sometimes called Holstein-Glückstadt after some of the administration was placed in the city. But the royal line was never called anything but Oldenburgs.

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Re: Correct family name of the dynasty
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2010, 03:14:54 AM »
OK, kmerov!

Considering their patrilineal descent from 11/12th-century Egilmar or Elimar, described in a contemporary source as comes in confinio Saxonie et Frisie potens et manens, a powerful Count living on the border of Saxony and Frisia (i.e. Oldenburg), perhaps the patronym of the Oldenburgs, à la the Romanovs descended from Roman Yurievich Zakharyin-Yuriev, should be Egilmarson, etymologically Neo-Danified into Elmersen, Ågesen or Ejlertsen - or in the Low Saxon of Oldenburg: Eilers, as in their great chronicler Marlene Eilers Koenig! :-)
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Re: Correct family name of the dynasty
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2010, 05:28:40 PM »
The thing that always bugs me with the German and English versions of the S-H-S-G name is that the town known as Sønderborg in Danish (and Synneborre in its native South Jutish) is Sonderburg in German. Why? It just sounds so wrong!
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Re: Correct family name of the dynasty
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2010, 03:01:07 PM »
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I had no idea Oldenburg had a family branch of German blood. I've always thought of The House of Oldenburg as the ruling house of Greece.

The Oldenburgs are a german dynasty!! They acquired territories elsewhere and crowns outside the Reich, but they are German!
The Grafen von Oldenburg were first mentioned in 1088, first as vassal of emperor Heinrich the Lion.
After the dynasty died out, the King of Denmark and the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp took over Oldenburg by heritage in 1667. In 1676 the King of Denmark was the only ruler on Oldenburg (I don´t know why S-H-G lost their rights).

In 1773 King Christian VII gave Oldenburg and Delmenhorst to Grand Duke Pavel Piotrvich (Paul I., son of Peter III. and Catherine II.), who gave the lands to the Gottorp Prince Friedrich August later that year. Friedrich August united both territories: Duchy of Holstein-Oldenburg.

Schleswig together with Holstein went to Prussia in 1866. In 1903 Nicholas II. renounced the rights of succession on Oldenburg for himself and his successors.

In Russia, the Romanov dynasty died out in the main line with the death of Elisavieta Piotrovna (Empress Elisabeth) in 1761. She set in Karl Peter Ulrich von Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorf as her heir, who followed her as Emperor Piotr III. Fiodorovich (Peter III.) in 1762. He was married with the german Princess Sophie Auguste von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg, who later became Empress Catherine the Great. Thus the Romanow-Holstein-Gottorp dynasty was created.

I heard that Nicholas II., last crowned Emperor of Russia, was to 1/62 of russian blood....

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Re: Correct family name of the dynasty
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2010, 03:51:54 PM »
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I had no idea Oldenburg had a family branch of German blood. I've always thought of The House of Oldenburg as the ruling house of Greece.
The Oldenburgs are a german dynasty!!
To insist that the Oldenburgs were exlusively German is not quite as absurd as thinking they were exlusively Greek, but lets not forget that they spread out over all of Northern Europe (Denmark-Norway, Sweden and Russia).

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After the dynasty died out, the King of Denmark and the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp took over Oldenburg by heritage in 1667. In 1676 the King of Denmark was the only ruler on Oldenburg (I don´t know why S-H-G lost their rights)
Pure "might is right". That Duke Christian Albrecht of S-H-Gottorp did not receive his due share of Oldenburg-Delmenhorst from his father-in-law (and Head of the House of Oldenburg) King Frederik III was a major reason for the Gottorps becoming hostile to Denmark and forming alliances with Sweden. A technical reason was that the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Plön for some reason also was entitled to some part of the inheritance. Being an ally of Frederik III, the Duke of Plön ceded his rights to Denmark, who thus controlled "the majority" of lots.

BTW Frederik III's natural son Ulrik Frederik Gyldenløve, Count of Laurvig, was married to Countess Antoinette Augusta von Aldenburg, the daughter of the natural son of the last Count of Oldenburg, Anton Günther II. Perhaps that alliance of bastard lines also played a role, considering that this natural son, Count Anton I of Aldenburg, became the first Danish Governor in Oldenburg!

BTW the whole fascinating line of descent Oldenburg-Aldenburg-Gyldenløve-Bentinck has been one long line of succession disputes!

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He was married with the german Princess Sophie Auguste von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg, who later became Empress Catherine the Great.
And who strangely enough inherited the Lordship of Jever, the former Oldenburgian neighbour fief of the Aldenburgs' County, the Lordships of Varel and Kniephausen, by virtue of descent from an Oldenburgian ancestress who had married into the House of Anhalt-Zerbst. Her grandson Emperor Alexander I ceded it back to Oldenburg in 1818.

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In 1773 King Christian VII gave Oldenburg and Delmenhorst to Grand Duke Pavel Piotrvich (Paul I., son of Peter III. and Catherine II.), who gave the lands to the Gottorp Prince Friedrich August later that year. Friedrich August united both territories: Duchy of Holstein-Oldenburg.
It is more accurate to say that by this Treaty of Tsarskoe Selo, the Gottorp branch ceded the ducal Gottorp parts of Holstein to Denmark (but retained the Prince-Bishopric of Lübeck) and received Oldenburg and Delmenhorst in exchange, which the senior Russian branch in its turned ceded (together with Lübeck) to its junior branch.
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Re: Correct family name of the dynasty
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2010, 06:17:00 AM »
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I had no idea Oldenburg had a family branch of German blood. I've always thought of The House of Oldenburg as the ruling house of Greece.
The Oldenburgs are a german dynasty!!
To insist that the Oldenburgs were exlusively German is not quite as absurd as thinking they were exlusively Greek, but lets not forget that they spread out over all of Northern Europe (Denmark-Norway, Sweden and Russia).

That was not ment to be purely a german dynasty but of german origins, not of greek or danish ones. The dynasty was established in the Oldenburg area in Germany. You´re very right they spread out very far.

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Re: Correct family name of the dynasty
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2010, 07:52:38 AM »
I heard that Nicholas II., last crowned Emperor of Russia, was to 1/62 of russian blood....

No,Nicholas had only 1/256 of Russian blood...officially,all his nearest 128 ancestors were of German blood...