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« Reply #195 on: September 29, 2008, 10:50:44 AM »

AGRBear! Jemmy is not  the Springer Spaniel,  Jemmy - King Charls Spaniel!


SORRY!  AGAIN.

I've been neck deep in adding on to our house,  and,  I seem to have gotten myself twisted  around in  dogs, their names and their pedigrees.

Jemmy/Jimmy is a King Charles Spaniel
Joy was the Springer Spaniel
Ortino was a French Bulldog.

Bear will, now,  sit in a corner without a jar of honey for a minute or two to regather accurate information in wooly brain head ..... :>)



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« Reply #196 on: September 29, 2008, 11:57:53 AM »


Jemmy, a King Charles Spaniel
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« Reply #197 on: September 29, 2008, 12:02:45 PM »



Ortino, a French Bulldog

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« Reply #198 on: September 29, 2008, 12:04:56 PM »


Joy, a Springer Spaniel

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« Reply #199 on: September 29, 2008, 03:10:05 PM »
Yes! Very good work, Bear is diligent!

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« Reply #200 on: September 29, 2008, 03:17:37 PM »
Olga Nicholaievna, in garden with two dogs, if I see correct.
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« Reply #201 on: September 29, 2008, 05:31:45 PM »
Thanks Nena.

Here is some additional information about Jemmy.

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A very kind reader of the Alexander Palace site, Francesca Belanger,  contacted us about the caption of the photo of the "second" Jemmy in the photo showing the dog in Anastasia's lap, the dog she took with her to Siberia. Our identification of that dog as a "Japanese Spaniel" may be incorrect.

We took that description from Sidney Gibbs' own testimony to Sokolov about that dog:"Anastasia had a small dog, I only know that it was a Japanese breed.  It was very small with long fur, reddish-brown...His characteristic traits were very large round eyes, his teeth uncovered, a long tongue which hung out of his mouth, I don't know which side.  He was called Jemmy.  The dogs of this breed were miniscule and were often carried in the arms.  He belonged to Anastasia, but everyone loved him, the Empress in particular..... Gibbs identified the corpse found as Jemmy without question. We used this as the basis for our attribution as a "Japanese Spaniel" belonging to Anastasia.

SO, Francesca is a dog fancier, who said that while the first Jemmy, seen in Vyroubova's photos on board the Standardt was definately a Japanese Spaniel, properly called a "Japanese Chin", the second Jemmy, in Siberia, did not resemble the breed, but rather looked like an English Toy Spaniel. We sent her close ups of the dog from that photo, and Francesca responded to us recently:
"I heard back from my friend Michele Blake, who breeds Japanese Chin, and she thinks Jemmy was an English Toy Spaniel, too, based on the picture. I did some research in Hutchinson's Dog Encyclopedia, published in the 30's, and saw photos of ETS's that look a lot like the little dog Anastasia is holding. In addition to Jemmy's solid-color head, there is also the issue of the ear-set. The Chin's ears sit higher on the head, while the ETS's head is very domed and the ears appear to join onto the head at a lower point than they do on a Chin. The English Toy Spaniels of today look different from some of the more delicate type I saw in Hutchinson's"

Nick and Geoffrey are both correct! The English Toy Spaniel is today properly called the "King Charles Spaniel"!

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The color in the photos seem to show an all black dog.

Today the colors shown in the US are Black and Tan, solid rich reddish-brown with white markings...

Japanese Chin is white and black.

The Pekinese can be all colours.

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« Reply #202 on: September 29, 2008, 06:00:29 PM »
Japanese Chin

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« Reply #203 on: September 30, 2008, 10:06:56 AM »
..[in part]...



One of my absolute favorites -- I love seeing him with his dogs
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« Reply #204 on: September 30, 2008, 10:31:31 AM »
And this Collie/Shepard is Iman,  I believe.


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« Reply #205 on: September 30, 2008, 02:00:03 PM »
Here is a little more information on breeds of dogs found in Russia:

http://dogbreeds.bulldoginformation.com/russian-dog-breeds.html
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« Reply #206 on: September 30, 2008, 02:07:14 PM »
Sorry, AGRBear, I think name of dog was Voron.  :)
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« Reply #207 on: September 30, 2008, 02:37:43 PM »
Sorry, AGRBear, I think name of dog was Voron.  :)

Yes.  

This time my fingers just struck the wrong key.

Thanks for the correction.



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« Reply #208 on: September 30, 2008, 02:39:00 PM »


I was sent this photo.   

Is the pup Jemmy?

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« Reply #209 on: September 30, 2008, 02:59:17 PM »
I don't know, it looks like a Teddy-bear rather than dog, but correct me if i am wrong....
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