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« Reply #210 on: October 01, 2008, 10:31:32 AM »


I was sent this photo.   

Is the pup Jemmy?

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The pup not Jimmi. The pup similar "Померанский шпиц" to. I think the pup is Швыбзик (Shwibzik)/ But he living little.

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« Reply #211 on: October 01, 2008, 10:51:42 AM »
Thanks Nena.

Here is some additional information about Jemmy.

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A very kind reader of the Alexander Palace site, Francesca Belanger,  contacted us about the caption of the photo of the "second" Jemmy in the photo showing the dog in Anastasia's lap, the dog she took with her to Siberia. Our identification of that dog as a "Japanese Spaniel" may be incorrect.

We took that description from Sidney Gibbs' own testimony to Sokolov about that dog:"Anastasia had a small dog, I only know that it was a Japanese breed.  It was very small with long fur, reddish-brown...His characteristic traits were very large round eyes, his teeth uncovered, a long tongue which hung out of his mouth, I don't know which side.  He was called Jemmy.  The dogs of this breed were miniscule and were often carried in the arms.  He belonged to Anastasia, but everyone loved him, the Empress in particular..... Gibbs identified the corpse found as Jemmy without question. We used this as the basis for our attribution as a "Japanese Spaniel" belonging to Anastasia.

SO, Francesca is a dog fancier, who said that while the first Jemmy, seen in Vyroubova's photos on board the Standardt was definately a Japanese Spaniel, properly called a "Japanese Chin", the second Jemmy, in Siberia, did not resemble the breed, but rather looked like an English Toy Spaniel. We sent her close ups of the dog from that photo, and Francesca responded to us recently:
"I heard back from my friend Michele Blake, who breeds Japanese Chin, and she thinks Jemmy was an English Toy Spaniel, too, based on the picture. I did some research in Hutchinson's Dog Encyclopedia, published in the 30's, and saw photos of ETS's that look a lot like the little dog Anastasia is holding. In addition to Jemmy's solid-color head, there is also the issue of the ear-set. The Chin's ears sit higher on the head, while the ETS's head is very domed and the ears appear to join onto the head at a lower point than they do on a Chin. The English Toy Spaniels of today look different from some of the more delicate type I saw in Hutchinson's"

Nick and Geoffrey are both correct! The English Toy Spaniel is today properly called the "King Charles Spaniel"!

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The color in the photos seem to show an all black dog.

Today the colors shown in the US are Black and Tan, solid rich reddish-brown with white markings...

Japanese Chin is white and black.

The Pekinese can be all colours.

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The dog, seen in Vyroubova's photos on board the Standardt was definately a Japanese Spaniel, properly called a "Japanese Chin", and thes dog not Jimmi. Thes dog belonging Maria Fedorovna. Gibbs is not  a dog fancier, Jimmi is Virubova present and She letter KING CHARLS SPANIEL. What is not understand?

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« Reply #212 on: October 02, 2008, 06:02:41 PM »
Yes,  I understand Jemmy,  the dog  Anastasia had with her in Ekaterinburg was  a King Charles Spaniel, who was a solid reddish-brown color.

Since I do not know anything about the photo with the dog in Anastasia's lap,  which means I don't know when and where it was taken, therefore,  I did not know if the puppy is or is not Jemmy.   Evidently,  you do not believe the puppy in Anastasia's lap is Jemmy.  Is this correct?



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« Reply #213 on: October 03, 2008, 09:22:26 AM »


Jemmy, a King Charles Spaniel

Where is this photo taken and where can I find it?  A book? 



Victory wrote: >>The pup not Jimmi. The pup similar "Померанский шпиц"<< [I don't know what this says.  Sorry.] >> to. I think the pup is Швыбзик<< [??] (Shwibzik)/ But he living little.<<

Where is this photo found?  When and where was it taken?

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« Reply #214 on: October 03, 2008, 09:34:23 AM »
... [in part]...

 


Two white dogs:  One small and one very large.


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« Reply #215 on: October 03, 2008, 09:51:22 AM »
The whole family in Gatchina, at their private garden. I tried to find out any picture of Alexander III and Nikolay together and...find out just another wonderful family photo! :)



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« Reply #216 on: October 03, 2008, 10:16:57 AM »
yes i thinkn so as well!
she would have been a stunner!


i adore this one!

The rest of the photo?

I'm pretty sure the dog that Anastasia was holding on a leash on the Standart was not Shvibzik. Shvibzik died of cerebral inflammation in mid 1915. Which was about the same time as when the picture of Anastasia in the motorcar with a dog was taken. Shvibzik was also a type of pomerianian dog which is what the "teddy" is. The dog in the Standart picture is clearly not.


Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin.
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« Reply #217 on: October 03, 2008, 10:28:26 AM »
.....[in part]...

Olga, Alexej, Anastasia, Tatiana





The complete photo.



A King Charles Spaniel

Photo taken in  Tobolsk,  I believe.

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« Reply #218 on: October 03, 2008, 01:50:50 PM »
It was actually taken at Tsarskoe Selo, spring/may of 1917, at Alexander Palace garden.  :D
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« Reply #219 on: October 04, 2008, 01:55:04 AM »
yes i thinkn so as well!
she would have been a stunner!


i adore this one!

The rest of the photo?

I'm pretty sure the dog that Anastasia was holding on a leash on the Standart was not Shvibzik. Shvibzik died of cerebral inflammation in mid 1915. Which was about the same time as when the picture of Anastasia in the motorcar with a dog was taken. Shvibzik was also a type of pomerianian dog which is what the "teddy" is. The dog in the Standart picture is clearly not.


Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin.

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AGRBear ! "Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin" . No, You tangle (путать). Not Japanese Chin, I letter Shvibzik  - померанский шпиц - the is pomerianian dog (toy spitze)! Big white spitze belong Ksenia Alexandrovna and Zinaida Jusupova.

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« Reply #220 on: October 04, 2008, 03:50:07 AM »
This was taken I believe at the back of the AP in 1917.

.....[in part]...

Olga, Alexej, Anastasia, Tatiana





The complete photo.



A King Charles Spaniel

Photo taken in  Tobolsk,  I believe.

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« Reply #221 on: October 04, 2008, 11:03:55 AM »
Obviously,  Bear is confused.

It was actually taken at Tsarskoe Selo, spring/may of 1917, at Alexander Palace garden.  :D


This was taken I believe at the back of the AP in 1917.

.....[in part]...

Olga, Alexej, Anastasia, Tatiana





The complete photo.



A King Charles Spaniel

Photo taken in  Tobolsk,  I believe.

Section:  The Final Chapter
Thread: Captivity photos

Dog's name is?
Breed of dog is?


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« Reply #222 on: October 04, 2008, 11:11:07 AM »
yes i thinkn so as well!
she would have been a stunner!


i adore this one!

The rest of the photo?

I'm pretty sure the dog that Anastasia was holding on a leash on the Standart was not Shvibzik. Shvibzik died of cerebral inflammation in mid 1915. Which was about the same time as when the picture of Anastasia in the motorcar with a dog was taken. Shvibzik was also a type of pomerianian dog which is what the "teddy" is. The dog in the Standart picture is clearly not.


Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin.

[/quote
AGRBear ! "Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin" . No, You tangle (путать). Not Japanese Chin, I letter Shvibzik  - померанский шпиц - the is pomerianian dog (toy spitze)! Big white spitze belong Ksenia Alexandrovna and Zinaida Jusupova.




I was sent this photo.   

Is the pup Jemmy?

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The pup not Jimmi. The pup similar "Померанский шпиц" to. I think the pup is Швыбзик (Shwibzik)/ But he living little.


Do I have this right: The black little teddy bear dog  is a toy spitze named Shvibzik which died very young??
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« Reply #223 on: October 04, 2008, 12:59:15 PM »
I just noitced that I didn't complete my post #6399.  This should have been added to it.

>>I should note: All the books I have with the photo of Anastasia and the little dog in her lap  have captions that the dog's name is Jemmy and that this dog is a King Charles Spaniel.<<

This link takes you to a photo of a Japanese Spitz pup (white Teddy bear):
http://www.dailypuppy.com/puppies/Simba-the-Japanese-Spitz_2006-08-30


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« Reply #224 on: October 04, 2008, 01:30:12 PM »
Oh, yes, Bear! In the books write about peopls! The dogs, cats - secondary( второстепенно)! Not for you, my! :-) Sorry, I not know how (не умею)  show photo. This adress photo the little pups pomerianian dog (toy spitze)! http://www.spitz-club.ru/puppies.htm  Look myself ( посмотрите сами).