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« Reply #450 on: November 23, 2013, 09:12:16 PM »
Been sometime that anyone has added any photos, therefore, many newbies do not know this list is here.  I have sometime this evening so I'll go search the new posts and see what I can find.

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« Reply #451 on: January 17, 2014, 07:57:14 PM »
Ella, Nicholas and a Yorkie...who looks very interesting in what the Tsar of all the Russia's is eating


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« Reply #452 on: May 03, 2014, 06:17:25 PM »
Allegedly taken at Tsraskoe Selo in 1917, by Monsieur Gilliard:



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« Reply #453 on: December 29, 2014, 09:16:45 AM »
Aleksei's dog, named Shot:



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« Reply #454 on: March 05, 2015, 05:02:57 PM »
The link above this post is in Russian.  Since it doesn't show the dog on the page,  is the link broken?  If not,  can you direct us so we can find it?  Is there a clue to a date for this photo?

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« Reply #455 on: March 05, 2015, 05:27:30 PM »


As far as we know,  the King Charles coloring was similar to the one shown here.

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« Reply #456 on: March 05, 2015, 05:51:08 PM »


Joy

THE FATE OF THE ROMANOVS by King and Wilson p. 364 tell us that  Joy was found with Michael Letemin when he was arrested.  



Aleksei's dog, named Shot:




The dog "Shot" was probably the dog before Joy.  Does anyone have anything in the diaries that talk about Joy as a pup or anywhere that tells us how old Joy was?  Or why he became Alexis's dog???
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« Reply #457 on: March 05, 2015, 05:58:27 PM »
Evpatoria, May 1916



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« Reply #458 on: March 09, 2015, 09:55:49 AM »
The IF were indeed animal lovers especially Alexis. So touching to see them with the pets
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« Reply #459 on: March 10, 2015, 07:11:44 AM »


My friend has a dog that looks just like this one.
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« Reply #460 on: August 25, 2015, 08:35:10 PM »
Now here's a question that will blow the cobwebs of the brain away!... Do we know the names of any of the Tsar's horses?

Nicholas often took the time to bury his horses when they had passed and from the pictures it looks like the Emperor rode beautifully. His position for example, as can be expected, is spot on. The Emperor was often photographed with his horses and mentioned them many times in his writing. He must have thought quite a lot about them.

with many Romanovs being fond of horses and in in the Horse Guards and the like, how much, (if any) manual work would they have done with the horses and at the stables? I know nearly nothing of the routine of regiments etc and would love to know more, perhaps someone with more military knowledge could help. Would nobles have had to brush the horses, clean tack, exercise them, and muck out etc, or would this always be done by someone else. Obviously on official days and big occasions I imagine the horses would be prepared in advance for them but I wondered about the daily routine of a horse regiment and likes of GD Pavel, Dmitri, Nicholas etc how much involvement other than riding they would've had with their animals. Perhaps in their youths they were expected to be more hands on - if it were the navy one would be involved with many manual things on deck growing up, I wondered if this was the same for the cavalry.There nevertheless seems to be a genuine and lifelong interest in the equine world for many Romanov members that goes way beyond just the status of having a beautiful, useful, and expensive animal. Many a portrait featured the men with their horses and of course many a Grand duchess photograph featured them too :)

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« Reply #461 on: October 19, 2016, 06:37:05 PM »
Constantinople wrote in the topic THE TSAR'S HORSES on 4 Aug 2010:
>>The finest stables in town were the Imperial Stables on the Moika Canal. They were originally built in 1720-3 by the German architect, Gobel, but they were rebuilt by Vasilii Stasov in 1817-23. At the center of the main facade of the building seen here, is a large church with an Ionic loggia facing the street. The building was huge and complex, it had four long facades bend to conform to its' location and it enclosed a large courtyard.

The Imperial Court required hundreds of fine animals every day to conduct its' normal business and many more on special occasions. The Tsar had his own personal horses, which were kept mostly at Tsarskoe Selo and Gatchina. Deep relationships often developed between the sovereign and his mounts. Many of these horses served their masters for years, accompanying their masters on a daily basis and also riding in parades and taking part in battles. It was hard work, but these horses were well cared for. Their stablemen came from across Russia and all over the world. They had Russian groomsmen, English trainers and German doctors to look after them. They lived in equine luxury near the Tsar's palaces and often accompanied him on his foreign travels. Their equipment and tack was the finest to be had, and it was kept in tip-top shape at all times. When the working days of these pampered animals were over they were sent to the Imperial stud farm at Tsarskoe Selo. Even in retirement they were remembered. The Tsar and his family would often visit their mounts in retirement. At the end of their days they were given funerals and buried in the horse cemetery, there graves honoring them by name, date of birth and death, and the Tsar they served.

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The breeds used for stud for the officers in the Tsar's army changed through time.  I do know about my great grandfather's horses that were in the Tsar's and many officer's stable in the late 1800s.  Some of his mares came from Trakenhner and his studs was from the Persian-Arabians.  They were beautiful, 18 hands high and different colors.  Many regiments rode one color horse.  Popular was the greys for the Tsar and his generals.  Orlov horses were trotters.  The father of Leo Tolstoy bred horses but the author wasn't interested and sold all of them.  There were the Hoffmann's horses that bred Orlov with Arabians.... Nathaniel Schlauch bred his Orlov trotter  stallion "Piron" with his stock... "Piron" was one of the few German-Russian horses that survived WWI and became a star in the circus and was grand for parades.

According to Constantinople, TSAR'S HORSES,  Tatiana's diary names many of their horses.

Somewhere I had named the name of many of the various horses of many of the Tsars.   When or if I find it,  I'll post it.

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« Reply #462 on: October 21, 2016, 06:26:29 PM »
Joanna wrote a lot of data under the topic of The Horse Tomb of the Tsars:

Here is a photo of the Horse Cemetery of October 22, 2000:

http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/compress/2000/157/32.htm

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« Reply #463 on: October 21, 2016, 06:45:10 PM »
wikipedia carries this magazine article:
>>THE ARABIAN MAGAZINE ....
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Vol. 76 June 2013 - The Crabbet & Russian ....
June 2013 - The Crabbet & Russian Edition, Russian

A Russian History
By Anne Finnerup   Wed, May 29, 2013
The Arabian horse in Russia has a very long history, going all the way back to the 12th century.

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Historical times

The Arabian horse in Russia has a very long history, going all the way back to the 12th century. Ivan the Terrible had Arabians in his stables in the 1500s, and in the 18th century there were around 100 active Arabian breeding stallions in Russia.


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A nobleman by the name of Alexey Orlov created a new breed of horse – the Orlov Trotter – which had a very large percentage Arabian blood. Already at this point, the Arabian horse was highly treasured and very much in demand. Orlov paid the staggering sum of 60,000 Ruples for the stallion Smetanka who died after only one breeding season, but still had a profound influence on the breeding of both Orlov trotters and many other breeding programmes with a high percentage of Arabian pure-bred horses in their bloodlines.

Back then, the Arabian horse was not only praised for being a great endurance horse, a good hack, dressage horse, or family pet; no, their value was in their talent as war horses. They were strong, but still fast, agile and brave – all qualities that could potentially save the lives of their riders and that had made, for example, the Mamluk Cavalry near impossible to defeat until the introduction of the machine gun and the repeating rifles on the battlefields.

In 1889, another nobleman named Count Stroganov founded the stud that later became known as the Russian State Stud, Tersk. Count Stroganov, together with Prince Sherbatov, travelled several times to Arabia and Syria and they brought back with them valuable pure-bred Arabian horses.

Prince Sherbatov used them mostly for improving other breeds, but Count Stroganov created a programme for breeding pure-bred Arabians. In 1899, there were 66 pure-breds at the stud, including youngstock, and in 1901 they published the first stud book for Arabian horses in Russia.

The histories of the Russian and the Polish Arabian horses are inextricably intertwined; for many years, Poland was occupied by the Russians and, at least by the Russians, considered to be part of Russia, for example during the years 1864-1918 where the studs from the Polish/Russian areas bred many good pure-bred Arab horses that were also exported to the rest of Europe.
The famous stallions (1) Ursus (Dahman-Amir x Hagar), (2) Wan Dick (Vasco de Gama x Hela) and not least (3) Skowronek (Ibrahim x Jaskolka) are examples of horses that were born in areas that were Russian at the time, but which previously, as well as later, belonged to Poland.

During the Russian Civil War of 1917-1920, the entire breeding programme was blown to smithereens; all the horses disappeared, were killed or were lost forever. Not a single one of these valuable, wonderful creatures made it through this black time in the history of the Arabian horse. If any survived, they were scattered to the wind and never returned to the stud or the breeding programme.<<
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« Reply #464 on: October 21, 2016, 07:15:42 PM »
More from wikipeda:
>>Polish and Russian breeding programs[edit]
With the rise of light cavalry, the stamina and agility of horses with Arabian blood gave an enormous military advantage to any army who possessed them. As a result, many European monarchs began to support large breeding establishments that crossed Arabians on local stock, one example being Knyszyna, the royal stud of Polish king Zygmunt II August, and another the Imperial Russian Stud of Peter the Great.[115]

European horse breeders also obtained Arabian stock directly from the desert or via trade with the Ottomans. In Russia, Count Alexey Orlov obtained many Arabians, including Smetanka, an Arabian stallion who became a foundation sire of the Orlov trotter.[117][118] Orlov then provided Arabian horses to Catherine the Great, who in 1772 owned 12 pure Arabian stallions and 10 mares.[117] By 1889 two members of the Russian nobility, Count Stroganov and Prince Shcherbatov, established Arabian stud farms to meet the continued need to breed Arabians as a source of pure bloodstock.[113][117]

In Poland, notable imports from Arabia included those of Prince Hieronymous Sanguszko (1743–1812), who founded the Slawuta stud.[119][120] Poland's first state-run Arabian stud farm, Janów Podlaski, was established by the decree of Alexander I of Russia in 1817,[121] and by 1850, the great stud farms of Poland were well-established, including Antoniny, owned by the Polish Count Potocki (who had married into the Sanguszko family); later notable as the farm that produced the stallion Skowronek.[120][122]<<
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