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Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« on: April 02, 2005, 07:17:43 PM »
I was just wondering if anyone else has heard the story that Grand Duchesses Olga, Tatiana, and Anastasia were "inspected" or I suppose you could say "frisked"
very thoroughly after their arrival at Ekaterinburg from Tobolsk.

I believe I read that they were very intimately searched and after that, Alix would not let them ever remove their corsets again.

How horrible if this was true - also how surprising if it were and they never found any trace of jewels.  This leads me to think that there isn't any truth in this story.

I didn't read this in "FOTR" - but I believe in the Peter Kurth book.

Anyone have any further ideas on this?

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2005, 07:53:26 PM »
I do remember reading that after the children arrived, they were searched in such a manner that Alix ordered the Grand Duchess to never remove thier corsets.

Exactly how "in depth" that search was, I'm not sure, but it must have been enough to unnerve Alix enough to order them to keep the corsets on at all times.

But good question, if they were searched, I wonder how they didn't find the jewles carefully hidden in the corsets? ummm...

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2005, 07:57:04 PM »
It's awful! I've never read something like that happened, although I've think maybe it did and the story of the jewels, what about that? was it real?

Interesting question you've made

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2005, 01:56:41 AM »
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I do remember reading that after the children arrived, they were searched in such a manner that Alix ordered the Grand Duchess to never remove thier corsets.

Exactly how "in depth" that search was, I'm not sure, but it must have been enough to unnerve Alix enough to order them to keep the corsets on at all times.

But good question, if they were searched, I wonder how they didn't find the jewles carefully hidden in the corsets? ummm...


They were not hidden in the corsets, they were hidden in wadding between two camisoles which were undergarments worn UNDER corsets to prevent the corset from chafing the skin.

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2005, 03:08:00 AM »
Ah... that would make more sense. Thanks Lanie, I had always read they were in the corsets.


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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2005, 03:28:49 AM »
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Ah... that would make more sense. Thanks Lanie, I had always read they were in the corsets.



Just faulty translations. :)  It happens a lot.  FA wrote about it somewhere, his own translation from the deposition in French; that's how I found out, I'd always thought corsets, but it still sounded funny after I researched a bit on early 20th century clothing...so now it makes sense! :)
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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2005, 06:45:42 AM »
I have also read that  jewels were sewn into the lining of hats.  Also that jewels were also buttons on coats ie the real buttons were removed and the jewels sewn on, with wadding around the jewels and then sewn back onto the coats as buttons.

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2005, 09:19:21 AM »
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I have also read that  jewels were sewn into the lining of hats.  Also that jewels were also buttons on coats ie the real buttons were removed and the jewels sewn on, with wadding around the jewels and then sewn back onto the coats as buttons.


That is true. The girls and Alexandra did this as well.

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2005, 03:53:57 PM »
 :)

I wonder if the purpose of the "frisking" was to check for hidden jewels.....if so then their inspection of the clothing, etc. of the GD's wasn't very thorough.

When I read it I thought how traumatic it would have been for those very sheltered girls to be subjected to such a examination, especially on the heels of what sounded like a very stressful trip on the "Rus."

I hope it wasn't quite as "intimate" as it sounded.  
(Not that it wouldn't be traumatic for any of us!)

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2005, 04:20:27 PM »
No such "frisking" ever took place. This is a complete myth. I don't even know where this story started -??

In fact, after the murders and the discovery of the jewels hidden in the girls' camisoles and clothing, Yurovsky specifically complained to the Ural Regional Soviet that he had not been allowed to conduct personal body searches of the members of the imperial family and their suite.

The girls' luggage was searched repeatedly - the Bolsheviks were obviously searching for hidden valuables - but no such "frisking" was ever done of the grand duchesses themselves.  
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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2005, 10:33:55 PM »
 :)

It was referred to in the book "The Lost World of Nicholas and Alexandra:  Tsar" by Peter Kurth.

In the book he said:  (pg. 190)  "we know that the grand duchesses, when they arrived at Ekaterinburg, were subjected to a lengthy inspection and that the empress, after that, forbade them ever to remove their corsets."

I didn't read about this in "FOTR" by King and Wilson so I just wondered if this was a factual note or not.

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2005, 01:19:10 AM »
I know this is a little depressing, but I was just wondering, what the Imperial family had for dinner that fatal night.  I couldn’t find any info on it, and I was just wondering.  
Any help would be grateful

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2005, 01:21:40 AM »
'any help would be appreciated' i mean, lol.  Its so annoying, i cant modify it, and now that little typo is just starring at me going 'Haha' u cant change me!

.....lol, i dont mean that literally, naturally..

anyway, bax to the topic,

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2005, 02:19:11 AM »
i'm not sure where you could get the information from tell you the truth
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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2005, 09:42:50 AM »
yeh, i hope someone knows...

that meal was probably the last thing the family did together, prior to the murders

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