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« Reply #375 on: November 30, 2009, 02:24:31 PM »
Yes. The match making cruise in Greece.

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« Reply #376 on: November 30, 2009, 02:29:42 PM »
i like this one of the couple


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« Reply #377 on: November 30, 2009, 02:34:13 PM »
That is a sweet photo ! I wonder which birthday wasit taken ?

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« Reply #378 on: November 30, 2009, 02:57:33 PM »
Yes, a beautiful image of an exemplary couple.
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« Reply #379 on: November 30, 2009, 06:06:57 PM »
They are...still a very loving and down to earth couple.

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« Reply #380 on: December 05, 2009, 07:55:02 AM »
Queen Anne of Romania during the Cruise on Agamemnon in 1955 :



Sorry but I made a mistake in the date. In reality the cruise on the Agamemnon took place during the summer of 1954.
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« Reply #381 on: December 05, 2009, 11:58:39 AM »
No worries. We all make mistake sone time or the other.

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« Reply #382 on: December 05, 2009, 12:16:57 PM »
An other lovely photo of Mihai and Anne together :

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« Reply #383 on: December 19, 2009, 05:40:41 PM »
The Stanzeleit story is intriguing, but a photo would be more believable than any written documentation.  The story I’m familiar with has Michael fathering a Son by a beautiful blond American Woman named “Helen” who after being recruited to wartime Washington DC was moved overseas to Paris at the end of WW II where she worked as a translator primarily of  slavic languages.  Her parents were immigrants, her Mother being Slovakian from Kosice where her parents met, after her Father changed his name to escape collapsing Imperial Russia. 

The Kings son being of Princess Margaritas age was raised for a time in Europe until, for the child’s protection, was raised within his Mother’s family in the US.  After a discreet wedding, a reception, occurred at “Au Mouton de Panurge,” with photographs taken in front of the murals.  The event was witnessed by out of uniform US Military who were in attendance.  As the situation deteriorated in Eastern Europe the King would soon follow Carol II example and seek a royal bride and race to produce a male heir to trump this already conceived first son.  Though having some resemblance to the King, the son strikingly favors his paternal grandfather and his Swabian roots.

 As circumstances changed in Eastern Europe and even a royal wedding would not salvage the Kings position in his country, an incident proved that this first born child was no longer safe in his Mother’s home in Belgium.  The son was brought back to family in the United States, hiding him through an inter family adoption which avoided any court action.  The young child did not speak any English giving concern that he would be difficult to hide which required frequent visits with a “Mrs. B,” the woman who originally recruited Helen, to manage his progress.  Helen would later admit this period of her life represented her darkest years having lost so much.  It turns out, to her wisdom she made sure she would entrust more than one set of photos among her trusted circle to ensure against the erasure of her son’s paternity showing he was conceived in wedlock, in the first marriage.   Of course at that time DNA testing wasn’t even a thought for science fiction.


...has anyone heard of this name?

I was walking yesterday through a bookshop and saw a book by him called "The Lost Queen". I read through it enough to see that he claims to be the son of king Michael of Romania from a prior marriage... that no-one knows about.

I'm surprised such a book was published and I knew nothing of it. No-one bothered to talk about it - not even to deny it.

Searching the Internet, I discovered http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Stanzeleit - Mr. Stanzeleit's Wikipedia page (in Romanian).

There I filled in the blanks. He claims King Michael was married to Nerissa Jane Irene Bowes-Lyon (a niece of the Queen Mother) who - according to him - was shot by the Germans when they realized they couldn't use her to blackmail George VI (with something). Apparently Carol insisted the marriage was kept a secret so that the relations with the Germans weren't ruined.

But the Wikipedia entry also clarifies that Nerissa actually died in 1986 and that she was apparently mentally retarded...? (That's what the Wikipedia page says, is it true? Anyone knows anything about this woman?)

One thing I do remember about the book was that there were some document copies at the end of the book, presumably proving Mr. Stanzeleit's claims.

Obviously the story is a complete fabrication but I can't help but wonder, how the hell did the man come up with it? Why pick an English noblewoman who never went to Romania, when an obscure Romanian girl would have helped his matters more? (had he come up with a story similar to Zizi Lambrino's, it would have been much harder to prove him wrong) How did he get to publish a book about it - who went through all the trouble of faking documents for him? And if he did that, how come I never heard of it until I saw the book in the bookshop?

Anyone know anything about this story?

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Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
« Reply #385 on: December 31, 2009, 01:33:49 PM »


This story is such utter hogwasg.  Michael never left Romania after the start of the second world war until November 1947 when he and his mother were able to attend Elizabeth and Philip's wedding.  The communists had hoped that Michael and Helen would take the bait and not return, but they did - and were largely confined to the palace until December 30, when at gun point, Michael abdicated.  Mother and son went into exile in Switzerland.  He had met Anne of Bourbon Parma at the wedding and the two had fallen in love, and were making plans to marry, which they did in June 1948.   
The Stanzeleit story is intriguing, but a photo would be more believable than any written documentation.  The story I’m familiar with has Michael fathering a Son by a beautiful blond American Woman named “Helen” who after being recruited to wartime Washington DC was moved overseas to Paris at the end of WW II where she worked as a translator primarily of  slavic languages.  Her parents were immigrants, her Mother being Slovakian from Kosice where her parents met, after her Father changed his name to escape collapsing Imperial Russia. 

The Kings son being of Princess Margaritas age was raised for a time in Europe until, for the child’s protection, was raised within his Mother’s family in the US.  After a discreet wedding, a reception, occurred at “Au Mouton de Panurge,” with photographs taken in front of the murals.  The event was witnessed by out of uniform US Military who were in attendance.  As the situation deteriorated in Eastern Europe the King would soon follow Carol II example and seek a royal bride and race to produce a male heir to trump this already conceived first son.  Though having some resemblance to the King, the son strikingly favors his paternal grandfather and his Swabian roots.

 As circumstances changed in Eastern Europe and even a royal wedding would not salvage the Kings position in his country, an incident proved that this first born child was no longer safe in his Mother’s home in Belgium.  The son was brought back to family in the United States, hiding him through an inter family adoption which avoided any court action.  The young child did not speak any English giving concern that he would be difficult to hide which required frequent visits with a “Mrs. B,” the woman who originally recruited Helen, to manage his progress.  Helen would later admit this period of her life represented her darkest years having lost so much.  It turns out, to her wisdom she made sure she would entrust more than one set of photos among her trusted circle to ensure against the erasure of her son’s paternity showing he was conceived in wedlock, in the first marriage.   Of course at that time DNA testing wasn’t even a thought for science fiction.


...has anyone heard of this name?

I was walking yesterday through a bookshop and saw a book by him called "The Lost Queen". I read through it enough to see that he claims to be the son of king Michael of Romania from a prior marriage... that no-one knows about.

I'm surprised such a book was published and I knew nothing of it. No-one bothered to talk about it - not even to deny it.

Searching the Internet, I discovered http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Stanzeleit - Mr. Stanzeleit's Wikipedia page (in Romanian).

There I filled in the blanks. He claims King Michael was married to Nerissa Jane Irene Bowes-Lyon (a niece of the Queen Mother) who - according to him - was shot by the Germans when they realized they couldn't use her to blackmail George VI (with something). Apparently Carol insisted the marriage was kept a secret so that the relations with the Germans weren't ruined.

But the Wikipedia entry also clarifies that Nerissa actually died in 1986 and that she was apparently mentally retarded...? (That's what the Wikipedia page says, is it true? Anyone knows anything about this woman?)

One thing I do remember about the book was that there were some document copies at the end of the book, presumably proving Mr. Stanzeleit's claims.

Obviously the story is a complete fabrication but I can't help but wonder, how the hell did the man come up with it? Why pick an English noblewoman who never went to Romania, when an obscure Romanian girl would have helped his matters more? (had he come up with a story similar to Zizi Lambrino's, it would have been much harder to prove him wrong) How did he get to publish a book about it - who went through all the trouble of faking documents for him? And if he did that, how come I never heard of it until I saw the book in the bookshop?

Anyone know anything about this story?
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« Reply #386 on: January 07, 2010, 10:20:14 AM »
Queen Anne of Romania celebrated her 75th birthday yesterday,january 6th.
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« Reply #387 on: January 07, 2010, 10:33:59 AM »
She was born on 18 September 1923, so it was unlikely she celebrated her 75th birthday yesterday.

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« Reply #388 on: January 07, 2010, 06:19:48 PM »
Problem solved, I think you meant to say Queen Margarita I of Bulgaria celebrated her 75th birthday yesterday,january 6th?

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She was born on 18 September 1923, so it was unlikely she celebrated her 75th birthday yesterday.

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Queen Anne of Romania celebrated her 75th birthday yesterday,january 6th.

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« Reply #389 on: January 31, 2010, 03:31:13 PM »
     Yes Marlene you are correct the official information does back up the dates you quote, and it must feel just like being there. Good work!   I’m a financial investigator not a biographer, this said the information I search tends not to be found in the library.  Helen, the first wife, left an audio/visual confession for her son, that was not to be used before her death; if he chose legal action.  The Son was supposed to be provided for by his father.  The point I make, is that witnesses contradict the assumption that a true travel log for His Majesty was ever made public.  You responded very much in the tenor in which I told Mihai (the son) that Ms. Eilers would respond.

     My most recent interview came through an acquaintance from the Romanian community that allowed for a meeting with a family member that once was in the top level of the Romanian Communist Government.  This person was in the know of  much of His Majesty’s comings and goings at the time.  I was allowed use of one of the sets of wedding photos ,which I shared at the end of the interview.  They were able to identify His Majesty, though not totally surprised, as the King made his movements very secretive.  This person stated the son looks like his father and even more so as he ages.  The person added the likeness to Carol II and to photos of Ferdnand is remarkable, stating he looks like everyone in the royal family, leaving no doubt to them of the Son’s true identity. How I was surprised, was the unprompted information I was given of the personal belongings that followed the king into exile.   I have heard this same story from a retired US military source as well.  In any case, it was expressed that His Majesty, in all his stoicism,  was… and is a master with the press and presents a wonderful face to the world.  Not to judge ones actions, but I’m finding the acorn may not fall far from the tree and Helen (the American wife) was treated as Carol II treated Ms. Lambrino.



 
This story is such utter hogwasg.  Michael never left Romania after the start of the second world war until November 1947 when he and his mother were able to attend Elizabeth and Philip's wedding.  The communists had hoped that Michael and Helen would take the bait and not return, but they did - and were largely confined to the palace until December 30, when at gun point, Michael abdicated.  Mother and son went into exile in Switzerland.  He had met Anne of Bourbon Parma at the wedding and the two had fallen in love, and were making plans to marry, which they did in June 1948.   
The Stanzeleit story is intriguing, but a photo would be more believable than any written documentation.  The story I’m familiar with has Michael fathering a Son by a beautiful blond American Woman named “Helen” who after being recruited to wartime Washington DC was moved overseas to Paris at the end of WW II where she worked as a translator primarily of  slavic languages.  Her parents were immigrants, her Mother being Slovakian from Kosice where her parents met, after her Father changed his name to escape collapsing Imperial Russia. 

The Kings son being of Princess Margaritas age was raised for a time in Europe until, for the child’s protection, was raised within his Mother’s family in the US.  After a discreet wedding, a reception, occurred at “Au Mouton de Panurge,” with photographs taken in front of the murals.  The event was witnessed by out of uniform US Military who were in attendance.  As the situation deteriorated in Eastern Europe the King would soon follow Carol II example and seek a royal bride and race to produce a male heir to trump this already conceived first son.  Though having some resemblance to the King, the son strikingly favors his paternal grandfather and his Swabian roots.

 As circumstances changed in Eastern Europe and even a royal wedding would not salvage the Kings position in his country, an incident proved that this first born child was no longer safe in his Mother’s home in Belgium.  The son was brought back to family in the United States, hiding him through an inter family adoption which avoided any court action.  The young child did not speak any English giving concern that he would be difficult to hide which required frequent visits with a “Mrs. B,” the woman who originally recruited Helen, to manage his progress.  Helen would later admit this period of her life represented her darkest years having lost so much.  It turns out, to her wisdom she made sure she would entrust more than one set of photos among her trusted circle to ensure against the erasure of her son’s paternity showing he was conceived in wedlock, in the first marriage.   Of course at that time DNA testing wasn’t even a thought for science fiction.


...has anyone heard of this name?

I was walking yesterday through a bookshop and saw a book by him called "The Lost Queen". I read through it enough to see that he claims to be the son of king Michael of Romania from a prior marriage... that no-one knows about.

I'm surprised such a book was published and I knew nothing of it. No-one bothered to talk about it - not even to deny it.

Searching the Internet, I discovered http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Stanzeleit - Mr. Stanzeleit's Wikipedia page (in Romanian).

There I filled in the blanks. He claims King Michael was married to Nerissa Jane Irene Bowes-Lyon (a niece of the Queen Mother) who - according to him - was shot by the Germans when they realized they couldn't use her to blackmail George VI (with something). Apparently Carol insisted the marriage was kept a secret so that the relations with the Germans weren't ruined.

But the Wikipedia entry also clarifies that Nerissa actually died in 1986 and that she was apparently mentally retarded...? (That's what the Wikipedia page says, is it true? Anyone knows anything about this woman?)

One thing I do remember about the book was that there were some document copies at the end of the book, presumably proving Mr. Stanzeleit's claims.

Obviously the story is a complete fabrication but I can't help but wonder, how the hell did the man come up with it? Why pick an English noblewoman who never went to Romania, when an obscure Romanian girl would have helped his matters more? (had he come up with a story similar to Zizi Lambrino's, it would have been much harder to prove him wrong) How did he get to publish a book about it - who went through all the trouble of faking documents for him? And if he did that, how come I never heard of it until I saw the book in the bookshop?

Anyone know anything about this story?