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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2005, 06:46:29 AM »
Her name was Tomania!She was the only daughter of Milosh and Maria Catargiu(lover of Roumanian Prince Ion Cuza)!She was born in 1852 and died just a year or two later...some sources say she died 1853 and some at the beginning of 1854!That's all I know of her!

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2005, 08:33:42 AM »
I don't think this ahs been mentioned, so here's a little piece of information: Princess Julia Hunyadi von Kéthely was the niece of Princess Herniette von und zu Liechtenstein. Julia's uncle, Jozsef László Hunyadi married Henriette in 1826. They had issue and have descendants even today, some which amrried other Austrian and Hungarian nobles.

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2005, 08:43:31 AM »
I know Natalia Constantinovic is an Obrenovic through her grandmother Anka, who died in 1868, but who are Natalia's parents? I assume Anka is Natalia's paternal grandmother, and Alexander Constantinovic, but I cannot find her parents anywhere! If you can forward dates of birth and death, and even marriage, I'd be most grateful.

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2005, 09:29:59 AM »
Her parents are Colonel Alexander Konstantinovich(Anka's son) and Mileva Opujic from Trieste!You have a portrait of Nathalie's mother in Montenegro thread since her daughter is a Princess of Montenegro!

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2005, 10:51:08 AM »
Wonderful! Thanks! I wonder if there are any descendants from other Obrenivici aside from Anka's Constantinovic issue...? Is there anyone from the Obrenovici family who claism the throne of Serbia/Yugoslavia?

Do they use patronymics in Serbia, like they do in Russia or in Bulgaria? I mean were they "Alexander Milanovic Obrenovic" for example?

Does anyone have the genealogy of Draga Lunjevica Mashin? Sorry to ask so many questions, I'm having a rather Obrenovic afternoon :)

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2007, 05:00:57 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2007, 05:05:34 PM »
And one portrait of Tomania Obrenovich,grandmother of both King Milan of Serbia and Katarina Konstantinovic who was a mistress of her cousin Prince Michael of Serbia before he was murdered!When Queen Natalia was forced to exile Katarina played the role of the first lady of the court during King Milan's reign!

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« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2007, 05:22:34 PM »
Tomania Obrenovich was also a grandmother of Simona Lahovary or Lahovari who was Grande maitresse de la Cour at the court of Queen Elisabeth of Romania(Carmen Sylva).She was married to Alexander Lahovary who was a minister or something like that in Romania at that time!If someone knows something more about Alexander or Simona LAHOVARY/LAHOVARI please write...

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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2008, 02:08:28 PM »
What an interesting theme this is. Can you tell us where in Paris Queen Natalie died ( you mentioned a monastery)..also i see in Burkes Royal Families Katharine Constantintinovic married in 1868  Milivoje Blaznavac, do you have any information about her later life or when she died? Lastly who was Madame Christic and what happened to her son by King Milan?  many thnaks

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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2008, 07:11:24 PM »
Artemisia Hristic was wife of a Serbian diplomat...They met and fell in love in 1886 and one of the reasons King Milan abdicated was her...He even wanted to marry her...They had a son-George who spent his life with his mother...at the beggining he was loved by his father!Artemisia soo n devorced her first husband(it took her 2 years)...Then she went to live in Istanbul where her parents lived,waited for a marriage-call from the King...Although he wanted marriage with Artemisia in the first place after some years he changed his mind...Than she haunted him throughout Europe...When she realised that she doesn't have any chance she wanted to raise her son George as a claimant to the Serbian throne,but she didn;t have money.Than she decided to blackmail the King with her letters that he has written to her ofer all those years!During that she even had an affaire with one count...In 1894 King Alexander of Serbia(Milans son) was a guest of Sultan Abdul Hamid and he used this oportunity and asked the Sultan to send the police and get all the letters from Artemisia...She was clever enough to say to the Sultans police that she needed 2 or 3 days to collect all the letters...In that period she coppied all of them and often used them,but the originals went to King Milan via King Alexander and Sultan Abdul Hamid....

Katarina Konstantinovic(also known as the scandal lady who was alsoPrince Michaels bride to be and cousin) married in 1868 an influential polititian Milivoje Blaznavac...He was her third suitor,first one named Damjan killed himself,second one Prince Michael of Serbia was killed in 1868 that left her with one-which was Milivoje Blaznavac!She was very pretty,but her grandmother Tomania Obrenovic said that she will give Katarina's hand to him only when she sees her grandson Milan crowned as Prince of Serbia(he later became King)...When he ''did'' his job than Katarina married 24 years older Milivoje and they had a son Vojislav and a daugher named Milica...He died soon in 1873 leaving her a widow!She later married her cousin Mihajlo Bogicevic(through her grandmother Tomania Obrenovic,nee Bogicevic)...They lived in Austro-Hungarian empire and later when things calm down in Belgrade!She was spending too much money...After several years of marriage she again fell in love with her sons friend who was 18 years younger and left her husband...She was financed by her brother Aleksandar Konstantonovic(father of Natalia-Princess of Montenegro) and her wealthy half-sister Simona Lakhovari who was married to a Romanian minister and who was also was lady in waiting of Queen Elisabeth of Romania...Simona had a huge palace in Belgrade which was known as the Palace Lakhovari and today is Filological University...She died in the town of Nis where her son served as a soldier(her daughter Milica died at the age of 4) and was burried in Belrade...

Queen Natalia died on 5.5.1941 in the monastery Notre Dame du Sion in Paris...although still rich,she died as a poor nun and was often described as the saddest Queen of Europe...

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2008, 12:27:21 AM »
many thanks for the information Marc

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2008, 03:59:48 AM »
I would be very interested to know any details of George...I believe he later claimed the crown? Did he marry and have issue

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2008, 05:11:02 PM »
His mother Artemisia wanted to claim crown for him...He didn't live long enough to claim in his own name....He died as a young man in Lausanne in Switzerland!

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2008, 01:02:03 PM »
 Do you have any info on The daughters of Milosh Obrenovic I
a) Petria b. 1808 + 1870, m 1825 Todor Baic and had issue ?

b) Savka b. 1814 +1848 , m Iovan Nikolic and had issue ?

c) Marija ?

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2008, 02:12:13 PM »
Milosh Obrenovic had 17 children....so...but if I find some information, I will share them with you!
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