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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2005, 11:06:13 AM »
Maybe because of the Kohary curse ? Since they are both decendended from that line of the Coburgs.

I do wonder about Augusta Victoria's life after the death of her first husband. They books usually stop there. Was she happy with her second husband ? I was surprised that no English perioicals wrote about it since she married a British man, and lived in England for quite a while...

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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2005, 12:58:58 PM »
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Maybe because of the Kohary curse ? Since they are both decendended from that line of the Coburgs.

I do wonder about Augusta Victoria's life after the death of her first husband. They books usually stop there. Was she happy with her second husband ? I was surprised that no English perioicals wrote about it since she married a British man, and lived in England for quite a while...


And may I ask...what is the "kohary curse?"

I am so very tired of hearing this thrown about and most people completely ignore what this is.  Mind you, I have been researching the Coburgs for almost 2 decades now and I'm always intrigued about how easily these "curse" stories are passed around and the famed "curse" used to explain tragedies, bad births, personal choices, etc...

This is why I would like you to tell me what is the curse??

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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2005, 08:47:19 PM »
I bought it up since a lot of people believed in it. Including even some of Queen Victoria's family,
even though they are not of that particular line.

Yes it is used to explain tragedies in the family.
The Coburg line in Portugal did died out after
quite a few members gone out in quick succession
in a few short time.

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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2005, 11:30:13 AM »
The Portuguese royal family did not die out in the 1861 epidemic.  The male line of Maria II descendants died out when Manoel II chocked in 1932, leaving no heirs from his wife, Augusta Victoria of Hohenzollern.

The epidemic that affected the royal palace in 1861 killed three of the sons of Maria II (Pedro V, Joao and Ferdinando), but two remained, Luiz and Augusto.  Had Augusto married and left an heir there could have been a second line, but he died unmarried in his early forties.

Luiz himself had two sons, Carlos and Afonso.  Had Afonso married equally and left heirs, there would have been again a junior branch, but unfortunately he did not.

The 1908 assassination of King Carlos and Crown Prince Luiz Filipe left Manoel as the only viable candidate for reproduction, and his having no children finally did the family in.

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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2005, 11:37:56 AM »
Quite a lot of misfortune for one family.

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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2005, 11:38:12 AM »
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I bought it up since a lot of people believed in it. Including even some of Queen Victoria's family,
even though they are not of that particular line.



Dear Eric,

I would honestly recomend not using the "curse" argument as there never was such a thing.

In fact I have translated from German to English a marvelous study done by a Saxe-Coburg(-Kohary) princess dealing with the Kohary inheritance.  This study has played a tremendous role in my writing of the history of the family's Catholic branch, which of course will be included in my Coburg family book, whenever it comes out.  Although some parts of it will be included in a book being authored by a Belgian which should be out next year, as I have shared quite a bit of information with him.

There is a series of family deaths that may give the impressionn of such a thing as a "curse" being in place, but this is simply coincidental.  It is much more mysterious to claim these deaths as a curse, than do medical studies and add pediatric death into the equation.
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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2005, 11:43:30 AM »
I totally agree with you. It is superstition. But when things tend to go wrong as a patten people start to believe in the supernatural. Queen Victoria believed in the date she lost jer husband, Princess Alice and almost her eldest son as that"unlucky day".

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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2005, 11:57:46 AM »
Auguste Viktoria marrie second in 1939 to Count Karl Ludwig Robert Douglas

apparantly they had 1 daughter

Dagmar Rosita Astri Libertas Douglas
who married the XI duke of Marlbrough in 1972

but it is highly unlikely that she could be her daughter since she would have had to givern birth to her in her 50's! ???

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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2005, 01:05:58 PM »
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Auguste Viktoria marrie second in 1939 to Count Karl Ludwig Robert Douglas

apparantly they had 1 daughter

Dagmar Rosita Astri Libertas Douglas
who married the XI duke of Marlbrough in 1972

but it is highly unlikely that she could be her daughter since she would have had to givern birth to her in her 50's! ???

The current Duchess of Marlborough is not the former Queen's daughter. Indeed she is not an only child she has at least one sister who is married to a  Bavarian  Royal Duke.

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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2005, 03:15:06 PM »
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The current Duchess of Marlborough is not the former Queen's daughter. Indeed she is not an only child she has at least one sister who is married to a  Bavarian  Royal Duke.


The current Duchess of Marlborough's sister is Countess Elizabeth Douglas, who is married to Duke Max in Bavaria. They are the daughters of Count Carl Ludwig Douglas and of his wife, Ottara Haas-Heye.
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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2005, 01:11:22 AM »
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Great photo Svetabel!!!!!!!!!!!!i haven't seen it before,do you have more from the same place??

Laura

I saw somewhere another one from the same sitting.
Actually I am puzzled about a lady in black beside Missy. The profile of this lady has a striking resemblance to Crownprincess Stephanie of Austria, widow of Crownrince Rudolf...

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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2005, 04:16:39 AM »
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I saw somewhere another one from the same sitting.
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can't you remember where...please? :)
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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2005, 04:18:45 AM »
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Actually I am puzzled about a lady in black beside Missy. The profile of this lady has a striking resemblance to Crownprincess Stephanie of Austria, widow of Crownrince Rudolf...


i think  she really is Crownprincess Stephanie!!!!
she looks like her!!!
Laura

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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2005, 04:21:35 AM »
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I saw somewhere another one from the same sitting.
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can't you remember where...please? :)
Laura


I think somewhere..around Internet. Possibly on ebay sales...

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Re: King Manoel (Manuel) I & Queen Augusta Victoria of Portugal
« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2006, 08:55:42 PM »
Short no-budget documentary about the last King of Portugal's exile in Twickenham, England:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OalnAYNRkKI

David