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Empress Maria Theresa and her large family
« on: April 23, 2005, 12:30:09 PM »
Didn't her father King Charles leave her bankrupt when he died? I have a video series called ROYAL SECRETS. Catherine II was on it too...Maximilian of Hapsburg and King George and Caroline of Brunswick.
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Re: Empress Maria Theresa and her large family
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2005, 05:21:34 AM »
Yes, Romanov_Fan. Her father had put most of the country's treasury into the war & there was little left for Maria Theresa, but he assumed that her husband would take power & she would be nothing more than a docile wife so he thought it didn't matter. He was quite mistaken. Maria Theresa ruled the country and her husband!!
(I think her daughter, Marie Antoinette, was a little terrified of her!!)

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Re: Empress Maria Theresa and her large family
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2005, 09:13:43 AM »
Here is a list of Maria-Theresia & Franz-Stefan's 16 children :

- Maria-Elisabeth (1737-40)

- Maria-Anna (1738-89)

- Maria-Karoline (1740-41)

- Josef II (1740-90), married to 1) Isabella of Parma 2) Josepha of Bavaria. His 2 daughters (Maria-Theresia "Reserl" and Maria-Christine) by his 1st wife both died in infancy.

- Maria-Christine "Mimi" (1742-98) married to Albrecht of Saxe-Teschen.

- Maria-Elisabeth "Liesl" (1743-1808)

- Karl-Josef (1745-61), the Empress's favourite son.

- Maria-Amalia (1746-1804) married to Ferdinando of Parma.

- Leopold II (1747-92) married to Infanta Maria-Ludovica of Spain. Their offspring reigned both over Austria as emperors and Tuscany (Austria-Tuscany line).

- Maria-Karoline (born and dead in 1748)

- Johanna-Gabriella (1750-62)

- Maria-Josefa (1751-67)

- Maria-Karoline "Charlotte" (1752-1814) married to Ferdinando IV of Napoli (aka Ferdinando I of the 2 Sicilies).

- Ferdinand (1754-1806) married to Maria-Beatrice of Este - hence the Austria-Este line.

- Maria-Antonia "Madame Antoine" (1755-93) aka Queen Marie-Antoinette of France. Our martyr queen.

- Maximilian-Franz (1756-1801), Elector of Cologne.

Empress Maria-Theresia (1717-80) had an elder brother Leopold (born and dead in 1716) and 2 sisters Maria-Anna (1718-44) and Maria-Amalia (1724-30). Maria-Anna was married to Franz-Stefan's brother Charles-Alexandre (1712-80) of Lorraine but it seems to me they had no children.
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Re: Empress Maria Theresa and her large family
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2005, 08:11:06 PM »
Does anyone know what illness ADss Marianna, MT's oldest surviving daughter, suffered from?  Are there any portraits of her?
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Re: Empress Maria Theresa and her large family
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2005, 04:42:52 PM »
I would also like to know are there any portraits of Archduchess Maria Anna,sister of the Empress or her husband Prince Karl von Lothringen or Lorraine?

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2005, 01:26:21 AM »
In her youth she was a beautiful woman, she had a pretty blue eyes, a clear porcelain complexion, and a thick mane of reddish-gold curls.

Prussian ambassador described her.
"Her eyes are very large, lively and mild. and their deep blue most striking. She has a regular nose. She has very white teeth,
and they are most charming when she laughs......Her demeanor is sprightly and happy, and her greeting always warm and pleasant."
(and she was a girl with a passion for dancing and card-playing all night.)

Elisabeth Christina of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel(empress's mother) was a great beauty. so she was like her mother?

Maria Theresa 11years old. She was a quite pretty.


And I think empress's daughters were beauties.
Does anyone have pictures of her daughters?
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Re: Empress Maria Theresa and her large family
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2005, 01:54:31 PM »
Are there any more portraits of Archduchess Marie Elisabeth?
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2006, 02:58:28 PM »
I was reading biography of Maria Theresia and there was mention that Emperor Francis Stephan had loved certan Wilhelmine von Auersperg!There had been an interesting situantion during his funeral!When he died Maria Theresia ordered that all the ladies must not wear make up,witch Wilhelmine von Auersperg did!During his funeral the Empress came to her and said:''We both lost a great deal'' and also remarked about her wearing a make-up,when Wilhelmine angerly told the Empress:''I didn't know I got my face from the state...''!By saying this she was very rude to the Empress and I wondered who this woman might be?I did some reasearch and found one Wilhelmine von Auersperg,born Countess von Neipperg who lived at that time!If someone knows who she might be and if know something more about this please post-thanks!

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2006, 03:42:48 PM »
I have a book about "Habsburg ghost stories". I will look up the title later on and post it. I remember the story of the furstin Auersperg. She haunted some rooms in one of the wings of Schonbrunn. The empress Zita had it written down that she had seen the (haunting) furstin several times. It was known in the Habsburg family and to the palace staff that the rooms were haunted by furstin Auersperg.

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2006, 11:15:24 AM »
The book is named "Die Habsburger und das Ubersinnliche"by Gabriele Praschl-Bichler ISBN 3-85002-507-1. The story of Wilhelmine Auersperg is tol in chapter 13 Maria-Theresianische Erscheinungen in Schloss Schonbrunn zur Zeit des Ersten Weltkriegs.

Crownprincess Zita was ordered by Kaiser Frans Joseph to move from Schloss Hetzendorf to Schonbrunn n order to guarantee her safety as Schloss Hetzendorf and the parc surrounding was easily to enter for strangers. In schloss Htzendorf Zita and some of her familymemebers already had a supernatural (unpleasant) experience which is also written down in this book.

Grafin Nora Nostitz, lady in waiting for Zita, the empress to be, moved together with Zita and her children to Schonbrunn. The grafin became rooms on the second floor of the schloss in the so called "Braunschweiger appartement'. These were the former appartments of the mother of Maria Theresia, Elisabeth Christine of Braunschweig Wolffenbuttel.Her rooms looked over the garden of Schonbrunn up to the Gloriette. The grafin slept several nights in these new rooms and had every night the same dream about a woman, clothed in style of the Maria Theresia era, with very fine hands. She dreamed every night that this woman stood in her room and walked through the appartment. and even into the corridors. After a week the empress became concerned and used the upcoming cold of the autumn to move the countess to other appartments (in the Braunschweiger appartments it was forbidden to heaten because of fire danger).

The guards in the corridor said tothe countess when she left the appartment that she was a courageous woman because it had never occured that someone slept for more than 2 nights in these appartments as it was haunted by this very same lady.

After a while, spring next year, Zita and the grafin visited count and countess Harrach in Bruck an der Leitha (Lower Austria). They got a guided tour by the count and countess through the castle. Suddenly they were in a room with paintings of ladies in waiting of Maria Theresia. Countes Nora Nostitz almost screamed when she saw the painting of furstin Auersperg, who she immediately identified as the lady she was haunted by in her sleep.

Wilhelmina Auersperg was born in 1738 as daughter of count Reinhard Khevenhullers. When Maria Theresia noticed that her husband had a certain interest in Wilhelmina Kevenhullers, she try to get rid of the lady and married her off to furst Johan Adam Auersperg, 17 years older than her. The furst lived far away from Vienna.  Franz Stephan, the husband of Maria Theresia, in his turn however ordered the furst to the court (as a cover to become his love affair anyway wih Wilhelmina Auersperg). It appaered that the loved couple met in the garden near the Teahouse of the Schlossbrunner Garten (I believe this is near the Gloriette). It is not mentioned how she still had a career up to lady in waiting for the empress Maria Theresia.

The book says that the furstin (that is the haunting one)mostly came walking from the allees of the garden, up the grand staircase of Schonbrunn, into  the Grand Galerie and by another staircase to the second floor.

The joy is short and the the shame long says this book and that is why she is paying for her love affair with Franz Stephan ever since (if this story is true I really wouldn`t want to know how Franz Stephan is haunting because I think he had his pants many times more under his knees than above!!!)

So anyway it makes me wonder too about how this lady Auersperg must have looked??
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2006, 11:18:09 AM »
I would like to know who else of the Imperial family ''saw'' her and when since her ghost apeared only before some tragedy!It could be interesting...and would also like to see her picture,but I doubt that anyone can find it!

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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2006, 04:18:25 AM »
My fabulous book Familienportraits der Habsburger  ;) says that the portrait was painted by M. van Meytens in 1764/65.

For identifying reasons this means: In 1764/65 eleven children of Franz Stephan and Maria Theresia were still alive. Maria Elisabeth (1737-1740), Maria Karolina (1740-1741), Karl Joseph (1745-1761), Charlotte (1748) and Johanna (1750-1762) have already died.

I think the persons left to right are:
Fran Stephan, Maria Amalia, Maria Anna, Maria Josepha, Maria Antonia, Maria Karolina, Maria Elisabeth, Joseph II., Marie Christine, Ferdinand Karl, Maria Theresia, Maximilian Franz, Leopold

I'm not sure about the four elder girls, but I guess Marie Christine is standing next to her mother because she was her favourite one. On Joseph's left is maybe Maria Elisabeth, because she is the prettiest among the girls. She looks older than the girl (in the back) next to Franz Stephan I identified as Maria Amalia. But Elisabeth was older than Amalia ...  :-? But I'm quite sure that the taller girl next to Franz Stephan is Maria Anna.

... and once again Maria Theresia is surrounded by her sons.  ;)
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2006, 04:29:13 AM »
Did you recognize that Maria Theresia called all of her daughters "Maria" "Josepha" "Johanna" "Antonia" and all of her sons "Joseph" "Johann" "Anton"? What do you think is the reason for choosing this names?

Maria Elisabeth Amalia Antonia Josepha Gabriela Johanna Agatha
Maria Anna Josepha Antonia Johanna
Maria Karolina Ernestina Antonia Johanna Josepha
Maria Christina Josepha Johanna Antonia
Maria Elisabeth Josepha Johanna Antonia
Maria Amalia Josepha Johanna Antonia
Maria Karoline (Charlotta) - I don't know her other names ...
Maria Johanna Gabriele Josepha Antonia
Maria Josepha Gabriela Johanna Antonia Anna
Maria Karoline Ludovica Josepha Johanna Antonia
Maria Antonia Josepha Johanna

Joseph II Benedikt August Johann Anton Michael Adam
Karl Joseph Emanuel Anton Johann Nepomuk Prokop
Leopold II Peter Joseph Johann Anton Joachim Pius Gotthard
Ferdinand Carl Anton Joseph Johann Stanislaus
Maximilian Franz Xaver Joseph Johann Anton Wenzel
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2006, 10:42:59 PM »
I know the prefix of Maria had been established for All Archduchesses in the day empress Eleorona Magdalena(wife of Leopold I).
It was intended to signify the special veneration of Habsburg family for the Virgin Mary.
So all daughters(~Leopold II) had Maria. but Why Franz II-I's daughters?
His daughters.
from first wife
  1. Ludovika Elisabeth Franziska

from second wife
  1. Marie Louise Leopoldine Franziska Theresia Josepha Lucia  
  2. Marie Caroline Leopoldine Franziska Theresia Josepha Medaros
  3. Caroline Ludovika Leopoldine
  4. Marie Leopoldine Josepha Caroline
  5. Marie Clementine Franziska Josepha
  6. Marie Caroline Ferdinande Theresia Josephine Demetria
  7. Maria Anna Franziska Theresia Josepha Medarde
  8. Amalia Theresia
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2006, 09:00:08 PM »
I'm reading a book of Maria Theresa. and it contains very interesting story.
<In 1756, she wrote for Countess Lerchenfeld, who at the time in charge of supervising Johanna & Josepha.

'I insist on their eating everything, with no fault-finding and no picking and choosing. Further, they must not be allowed to criticise their food. On Fridays, Saturdays, and all other fast-days they will eat fish.
Although Johanna in particular dislikes it, she must not be indulged. the sooner the habit is broken the better. All my children had the same aversion, and all had to overcome it......I don't like to see them eating much sugar, see that they have as little as possible.

The girls were not to be allowed to neglect their appearance. Cleanliness is to be observed most strictly. they must be properly washed and combed, every day without exception.

They must not be allowed to talk to door-keepers and stokers, or to give them orders; they are born to obey....I fear that Johanna is pig-headed, though she is clever enough in other ways. Josepha still seems to be a good child, but not so capable.
And never must they be allowed to be afraid, neither of thunder-stroms, fire, ghosts, witches, or any other nonsense. The servants must not talk about such thing or tell horror stries. Yor are not to let them be frightened of illness, so you will talk in a perfectly natural way about everything of this kind, even smallpox and death; it is all to the good to familiarise them with such thoughts in good time.
They must not be allowed to show aversion to anything, still less to anybody: no familiarity with the servants, politeness toward all, and particulary towards strangers.'

Her message to her children: even though you are surrounded by luxury and excess, you must not let your exalted status corrode your character. Royalty means responsibility, duty, unceasing and exhausting obligation; there is no room for laxity or weakness, or the self-indulgence of vice.>
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