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Offline Olga

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2004, 07:13:05 AM »
i've been intrigued by the children of the early tsars, before Pyotr Alexeevich(westernisation of russia, etc) does anyone know anything about them?

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2004, 01:01:17 PM »
Hello everybody, and Happy Easter!:)

I would have to say that although i simply adore the whole of the dearest family, for me the favourites has to be beloved Alicky, and also dear Ella. I just adore them! Also because the two sisters are Hesse-Romanov, and the Hessen history interests me so so much - i love to learn about their ancestors and their residences, especially those in and around Darmstadt.. +++


Alix, i find so fascinating, especially her childhood years in Germany, before going to Russia, and these years really help us to understand so much about her complex character.  She could be so strong in her opinions, and yet this combined with her loving devotion as a wife and mother is for me part of the fascination - she was human! I love to read her letters to her dear brother & friends as well as those to Nicky and the children - in them, we can see her so clearly. She had such a love for her adopted country, and all the contributions made during the war to name but a few, are truly remarkable.


Ella is just so fascinating - her early childhood, and marriage are so interesting to compare with her later life as an Abbess, and now a Saint+. She inherited her mother's great care for the poor and needy, and her work performed at the Martha and Mary Convent was simply astonishing.

There is available a pamphlet from the St John of Kronstadt press, written by Ella - the directions given for the running of the Convent. I recommend it very much - the insight it gives not only into Ella, but how she wanted her convent to be run, and its work, is invaluable.

Best wishes,
Elisa :)

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2004, 01:05:41 PM »
Elisa:

Is this the rule you mention or is it another?

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2004, 03:51:36 PM »
I understand this order was disolved after the revolution, and some form of it serves the tombs in Jerusalem?  Has it been reformed in Russia itself?
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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2004, 05:10:51 PM »
The order survived undergroud until it was officially revived.  The traditions of the convent were carried on the girls who had passed through it and the many artists that worked on the convent.

The convent was saved by the estabishment of an ikon restoration studio in the church itself.  This was a deliberate action on the part of the artistic intelligensia of Moscow to preserve not only this splendid building, but also the memory of Elizabeth.

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2004, 01:36:24 AM »
yes it is interesting, considering starting from Pyotr Alexeevich the gradual loss of Russian-ness from the Romanovs, especially Peter of Holstein-Gottorp. what a waste of time he was.

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2004, 05:53:45 AM »
Hello Bob!

It is indeed the rule, the same one. Ive never been able to find out the address of the Holy Trinity Monastery, they must have some great Romanov/Ella material.
The St John of Kronstadt Press must have done a third printing, and is still available.

Best wishes,
Elisa :)

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2004, 07:20:26 PM »
Shouldnt have favorites;but ,mine is Marie.A sweet ,good natured kid.As all the kids were.

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2004, 07:21:28 PM »
I wouldn't say he is my favorite Romanov -but has anybody done some proper research on GD Cyril Vladimirovich ? All I've read about him seems to focus in the red flag in his palace and how he "betrayed" the Tsar, etc. I've just read his autobiography and he turned out to be a much more interesting character that I expected -and certainly not the Benedict Arnold Romanov many people think he was.

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2004, 10:55:10 AM »
My favourite Romanov is the Grand Duchess Maria Nicolaievna. Her beauty has always captivated me, and she was simply one of the loveliest little girls that I have ever seen. Aside from her physical characteristics, her sweet character, and her love for children, family, and animals all endear me to her as well. Some may think that she was overly sweet and perfect, but as we know she had another more complex side to her that could be assertive but also sad and lacking confidence. I don't think that she was an overall sad child, she just had episodes of doubt about her parents' love that all children may have from time to time. She had a very happy childhood and her mother did reassure her that she was loved. A final reason that she is my favorite is because she is probably the least well known of the family members. Even amongst her sisters, the oldest had the time to make their personalities known and the youngest children were fairly well known as well - Anastasia due to the claimants associated with her name and Alexei because he was simply the heir and due to his disease much was written about him by his family. But Maria is just there, caught in the middle, known only as a sweet child but not much else. I have always been drawn to characters about whom little is known, to those that are not the most popular or the most well known, and in this case it is Maria.

In second place I think I would pick her mother as a favourite. I think this is because I see much in common with her and my personalities in certain aspects, specifically that she was a shy, quiet, and serious woman who preferred the company of her immediate family to that of anyone else, and with an admirable, everlasting, and great love for her husband and children (I personally don't have children yet but I can appreciate her devotion to them and imagine it will be the same with me when I do). She valued family above all else, despite being judged harshly for devoting herself to them first and neglecting her social duties as Empress. As a shy person myself I can totally relate to her dislike of parties and public events, and to being misunderstood as being proud and haughty when one is just uncomfortable around strangers and not into socializing all that much. But once you are befriended, you are a loyal friend and really open up to the people you trust and love. You are one way in public - quiet and shy - but completely at ease in your own home with your most cherished ones, where you can speak your mind, relax, and even joke around without fear of being judged or rejected. This is the way I feel and from what I have read what she was like as well.

I like several other Romanovs, as in all large families there are just so many interesting people with so many different and distinct personalities. I am interested in Nicholas's mother Marie Feodorovna if only because she was such a complete opposite to Alexandra - very social and outgoing - and was the way that most people would imagine an Empress to be. She had so many happy years entertaining and living a wonderfully luxurious life, and these are the years I prefer to remember her in.

Her daughter Olga I sympathize with greatly. I admire her for being able to adapt to life in Canada so well. She seemed to be a person of humble heart whom we could all have been friends with. Her later years I find so very sad, living with all of those memories. Her time in Russia must have seemed like a dream, a time lived by another person in another life, it seemed so distant and remote. When I think that when she died in 1960 she had not seen her brother and beloved nieces in over 40 years I think it is just so sad. I always remember what she said when asked if she had cried a lot when she remembered her life and her dead family, and she replied with something to the effect that she had not cried, because if she ever did start crying she was afraid she would never be able to stop. How heartbreaking.

Finally, one more person springs to mind which was a Romanov but not part of Nicholas's immediate family circle. This was Alexandra, the daughter of Tsar Nicholas I. I have not read much about her, but I know that this father was devoted to her and when she died tragically young in childbirth he was absolutely devastated and built memorials to her in the Alexander Palace. I would like to know more about this daughter who was so cherished by her parents and who died so tragically.

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2004, 04:27:32 PM »
 Of the "immediate" family, probably Tatiana is my favorite one. She seemed to combine all the Imperial attributes-plus, she looked like a living dream IMHO. ;) I always thought if she had lived and the Revolution had not happened, that she would have become a royal superstar like the later Astrid and Diana. :(
Of the "extended" family,  I favor Miechen and Ella, who were very un-alike in many ways but who are completely fascinating still.

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2004, 01:58:48 PM »
Absolutely - without a doubt - it's NICKY - Nicholas II.
My friends are convinced that the reason I am not married is that I have not found a man like Nicky!  Perhaps they are right!

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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2004, 04:42:11 PM »
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Finally, one more person springs to mind which was a Romanov but not part of Nicholas's immediate family circle. This was Alexandra, the daughter of Tsar Nicholas I. I have not read much about her, but I know that this father was devoted to her and when she died tragically young in childbirth he was absolutely devastated and built memorials to her in the Alexander Palace. I would like to know more about this daughter who was so cherished by her parents and who died so tragically.


I found out her dates at least:
*24.6.1825 Peteresburg +10.8.1844 Tsarskoje Selo

Her husband (married on 28.1.1844) was Landgrave Friedrich of Hesse Kassel (1820-1884)
The son she gave gave birth to died on the same day and was named Wilhelm.
There is a book pubilshed about her outstanding trousseau ,called "Die Mitgift einer Zarentochter".

At Fasanerie Castle near Fulda in Germany one can still see her boudoir with many of her personal belongings.
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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2004, 08:24:43 PM »
The mystery over Anastasia was what got me interested in the Romanovs in the first place, so in that way she's probably my favorite Romanov.

After I read more about the family I couldn't stop tracking down more and more obscure information about them. Strange hobby!

I think Alix's sister Ella is probably the most admirable of the family. Here was a woman rich beyond the dreams of avarice who chose to go into the slums and try to make life better for those poorer than herself. She went to see her husband's murderer and tried to understand what drove him. She had a real religious epiphany that I think truly qualifies her as a saint.

I find Felix Yussupov fascinating for some of the same reasons. There's this great dichotomy between his acts of charity and desire to give away his riches to help the poor and the great evil that he was capable of. Reading about the murder of Rasputin always makes my stomach turn. I think Yussupov had a sexual fascination with Rasputin that had a great deal to do with the murder.

Of the Tsar's immediate family, I like his sister Olga because she had the guts to end her unhappy marriage and take up with someone she really loved, even though her mother gave her hell for it. There was no nonsense about Olga. Everything was very simple and on-the-level. I like Grand Duke Michael and Victoria Melita for some of the same reasons. The royal rebels appeal to me. How dare the Tsar tell them who they could love and who they should marry? LOL.

Of the Tsar's children, I like Olga the best because I have a soft spot for bookworms. Sensitive, moody, mercurial, and "a tendency toward bad manners" and "sulking her mother," Olga Nikolaievna wasn't perfect and that's pretty appealing.


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Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2004, 12:01:29 AM »
I guess it can be said that I'm a bit late for this particular discussion, but the topic was so appealing that I couldn't resist putting in my two cents (not a shocker since I have a tendency to show my opinions whether or not they are wanted).  I have a few favourite romanovs, and I'll do my best to be brief and hopefully coherant.  I have a soft spot for Nicky, because I believe it takes a real man to surrender utterly and completely to the feelings of love towards his wife.  He was romantic and attentive, and that can certainly be seen in his letters to his wife, as well as in his diary entries.  I also admire the fact that despite his duties he made time to be a Papa, and had a close relationship with his children.  It has been stated in some books that he was a father and a friend in one, and that's a quality many parents seem to lack.  

Alicky is on my list, because she had the guts to be herself despite everyone's opinions.  She was so in touch with her own convictions that she wasn't afraid to shall we say plow ahead.  She was Nicky's world, and the love and closeness that they shared is rare and hard to find at any given time, but particularly in that era, because so many royal marriages were arranged and ended up being disasterous (my most sincere apologies for bad spelling).  She was a great Mom, and just like Nicky was able to be her children's friend and parent.  

Olga N. is among my favourites because I can relate to her.  I'm a bookworm, and I love to learn and be on topof things.  It was rather evident that Olga was aware of the outside world, and that can be credited to the fact that she was allowed into her father's study and had access to the newspapers (that I found out in the book titled Nicholas And Alexandra by Robert K. Massie).  I also like her ability to have fun, and just be a normal human being.  Her arguments with her mother showed her desire for independance, and tha'ts an honorable trait for anyone regardless of the time period.

Finally Alexei is a favourite of mine because he was a little ray of sunshine despite his illness.  He was always cheerfull, and could enjoy life.  His openess with those close to him always moved me.  He never failed to show appreciation and affection to those who displayed any acts of kindness towards him.  
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