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Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« on: May 02, 2005, 02:11:55 PM »
I'm searching for picture's of

- Marie Therese, Infanta of Portugal and Princess of Braganca

- Marie José, Infanta of Portugal and Princess of Braganca

- Maria Anna, Infanta of Portugal and Princess of Braganca

- Maria Antonia, Infanta of Portugal and Princess of Braganca

BTW:
I know their pictures on www.royaltyguide.nl and www.worldroots.com

Thanks ...

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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2005, 04:49:45 PM »
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can you please put their birth and death dates!

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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2005, 03:05:37 AM »
Dear Grand Duke,

I'm sorry, here they are:

Marie Therese (1855-1944), married to Karl Ludwig, Archduke of Austria

Marie José (1857-1943), married to Carl Theodor, Duke in Bavaria

Maria Anna (1861-1942) married to Guillaume IV, Grand Duke of Luxembourg

Maria Antonia (1862-1959), married to Robert, Duke of Parma and Empress Zita's mother

Thanks for the picture of Marie José. I have a postcard of it.

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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2005, 06:52:00 AM »


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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2005, 08:28:13 PM »
Karl-Theodor and Marie Jose had several children including the sad Princess Marie-Gabrielle (who married Crown Prince Rupprecht of Bavaria) and Queen Elisabeth of Belgium the much-loved consort of Albert I. Elisabeth's daughter, named Marie-Jose like her grandmother, became the last Queen of Italy as the consort of Umberto II.
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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2005, 06:22:57 AM »
Why Sad Princess Marie-Gabrielle, Ella? I know she died young, perhaps in childbirth, is that why you said sad? He remarried afterwards, so...was it a love match or perhaps an arranged wedding?

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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2005, 03:26:43 PM »
I say sad because she suffered so many maternal tragedies and then died so young (age 34). Her marriage seemed to be happy enough. Rupprecht didn't remarry for almost a decade and then married her cousin Antonia of Luxemburg, 30 years his junior (yet he would outlive her as well).

By Marie Gabrielle he had:
 
1) Luitpold (who died at age 13; 2 yrs after his mother)
2) Irmingard (1902-1903; her only daughter)
3) Albrecht
4) Rudolf Friedrich Rupprecht (1909-1912)

I think she was already ill but it was the death of this 2nd child (and her youngest) which caused her to basically lose her will to live. Thankfully she wouldn't see the death of her eldest son.
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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2005, 07:09:33 PM »
Does anyone have some more info about King Miguel I of Portugal and his wife Princess Amelia von Loewenstein?Their children?Are there any good pictures or portraits of this branch of the family?

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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2005, 09:33:07 AM »
D. Miguel

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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2005, 11:29:24 AM »
Miguel of Portugal

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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2005, 11:52:56 AM »
Is anyone familiar with this?  I believe his name was Miguel and he was married to Winifred Seyburn who was the granddaughter of John Dodge, one of the founders of the Dodge Motor Company which is now Daimler Chrysler.  I also think they had a son together.  This was probably in the 1940's-1950's.


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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2005, 12:02:40 PM »

Yes, John Miguel de Braganza (1912-1991) married Winifred Dodge Seyburn (1917-) in 1948. They were divorced in 1953 two years after the birth of their only son, Michael William de Braganza, who married Barbara Haliburton Fales (1955-) in 1980. They have three children together: Miguel Samuel (1986-), Annabel Barbara (1989-) and Camilla Fales (1990-).


John Miguel, great grandson of deposed King Miguel I of Portugal, married Katherine King (1931-) in 1971, 18 years after his divorce from Winifred. There were no children born to this marriage.
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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2005, 12:08:20 PM »

I nearly forget about it!!


John Miguel is not a prince of Braganza, he just descends of royalty, as many people do. His father, prince Miguel renounced to his rights in 1920, after 11 years of marriage to the commoner Anita Stewart. Although the renounce was made because of the morganatic nature of his marriage, I don't know why it was done so late. but what is sure is that Mr. De Braganza is not a prince.
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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2005, 12:17:13 PM »
That's interesting, Umigon.  The book that I was reading described him as the Pretender to the Portuguese throne.  I guess that sounded better than  "kind of royal".

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Re: Duke Miguel of Braganza and his family
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2005, 12:20:59 PM »


Of course he can be a pretender, as much as Maria Pia of Braganza, a supposed illegitimate daughter of King Carlos was a pretender... but following the House Laws, his claim is not a good one, being son of a morganatic marriage of a prince who renounced to his succesion rights. Both of his marriages have been morganatic and exactly the same for his son's marriage...

I think the current Duke of Braganza (King Edward III of Portugal for royalists...) has a better claim than both John Miguel and his family and the late Maria Pia and hers... From my point of view even the Orleans-Braganza would have a much better claim...
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