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Reply #75
« on: May 24, 2006, 04:12:22 PM »
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Part 2

Tito - a non-Serb and an anti-Serb, was the father of the Republic. On the other hand, the father of the first unified Serbian state was Stefan Nemanja. The father of the modern, resurrected Serbian state was Karadjordje (Kara-george). If the spiritual father of Communism was Lenin, the spiritual father of Serbia was Prince Rastko Nemanjic, better known as St. Sava - the first archbishop of the autocephalous Serbian Orthodox Church. Between Tito and Lenin on one side, and Stefan Nemanja and St. Sava on the other side, it is clear whose path Serbia must follow. The path of Stefan Nemanja and St. Sava!
 
Of course, today's Monarchy would be a modern one, fully in accordance and harmony with the modern world that we are a part of. We cannot build a medieval Monarchy, but we can and we will keep a sense of our history, tradition, origin.  The new Kingdom of Serbia would be a modern, democratic society, in peace with itself and the world. Modern in every sense of the term. But, it would also hold strong ties with the Serbian past, tradition, history, roots and ancestors. It would stand tall, it would be proud, it would give every individual possibilities to express himself or herself in every way, regardless of national, ethnic, political or religious differences.
 
All European Monarchies - let's name just some, such as the Kingdoms like the UK, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, or the Principalities such as Monaco or Liechtenstein, are today modern, democratic societies with a very high standard of living and respect for human rights. That, however, cannot be said for almost half of European Republics, especially those that emerged from the breakup of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.
 
If every single European Monarchy is a respected, tolerant, developed country with a high standard of living and high respect for human rights, why couldn't Serbia be like that? The Kingdom of Spain is perhaps the one model we could relate to. It has suffered a civil war and a dictatorship, as have we, but Spain has returned its King and has reached Europe as a respected country. That cannot be said for our beloved Serbia.
 
Of course, the reality of our world and the historical moment we live in, is such that Serbia must, and will be, part of the European Union. That is innevitable, inspite of many objections that could be directed to the EU. We will get there as a Republic, or as a Monarchy. If we are democratic and pro-Western oriented, we will get there either way. But, it would be better if we did so as a Monarchy. One reason - Monarchy has everything to do with our past, history and national identity. The Republic has nothing to do with it. The other reason - a Republic will always be seen in the world as "Milosevic's residue". With a Monarchy we can give the final punch to Communism and its Godless and bloody ideology it stands for, once and for all. Then we will tell the world that we have definetely ended with it and have turned on a new path.
 
Until the emergence of Communism, Serbs have always been the victims, never the prosecutors. Serbs have for centuries lived and died for their freedom, for their faith, for their homes, for the respect of their ancestors. Serbs have never built places like  the Jasenovac death camp, but have always perished in them, massively. Communism changed all that and today we are viewed (still) as evil monsters. The bolsevic-communist-socialist-extreme nationalist governments that have come and gone in the past 60 years, have done so much damage and destruction to Serbia, that it is unimaginable. The only way to end this is to proclaim once again the Kingdom of Serbia.
 
Many wounds are still present on the Serbian national being. But, Serbia is slowly once again finding its true self, its identity, and that process is still ongoing. Very soon Serbia will once again be a fully capacitated state - sovereign, independent and internationally recognized, thanks to Montenegro's vote. The people of Serbia and the people of Montenegro will always be close, regardless of where they live. Centuries of fighting the same enemies, sharing the same religion and language, as well as bonds between cousins and families, will testify to our good relations in the future. Thanks to Montenegro's vote on independence, Serbia has also become independent. It's time for Serbia to finish searching for its identity, its soul. It's time to stop searching and it's time to finally find the way, once and for all. And that way, ladies and gentlemen, the only way, is to once again establish the Kingdom of Serbia, for the benefit of all its citizens.  
 
In this truly exciting and promising historical moment, when we now have once again our own state, when we fly the flag with the Nemanjic crown, when we use the Coat of Arms of the glorious Kingdom of Serbia, when we once again stand tall to our own national anthem - God of Justice, when we have our beloved Patriarch and the Crown Prince at the Royal Palace, what are we to do? By logic, in the context of our historical continuity, our tradition, history and statehood, we must crown the Prince as our King, and we must make Serbia a Constitutional Parliamentary Kingdom!
 

 
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« on: May 24, 2006, 04:13:55 PM »
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His Royal Highness, Crown Prince Alexander II Karadjordjevic, is the descendant of Karadjordje - the father of modern Serbia, of Prince Alexander, of King Peter I The Liberator - the father of our modern European-styled democracy whom the people called Uncle Pierre, of King Alexander I - the father of the misfortunate Yugoslavia and the young King Peter II, under whose command general Draza Mihailovic led the first anti-Nazi guerrilla in occupied Europe. If it were not for Karadjordje and his dynasty, there would be no modern Serbia. Of course the Obrenovic dynasty has also done a great deal for modern Serbia and that dynasty deserves respect and place in history. But, we today have a living dynasty, the Karadjordjevic one, and its representative in the face of Crown Prince Alexander II. He is the son of our last King, therefore, he is King by definition. He was modest and decided to use the title of Crown Prince (heir to the throne), and will resume the title of King if and when the Serbian people freely decide to renew their Monarchy. Not only is he worldly educated, but is also not accustomed to living under communism, he is tolerant of different opinions, ethnicities, religions and he has shown that he is dedicated to serving his country and people. Humanitarian activities of him and his wife have contributed greatly for the benefit of our children, the young, the challenged, the elderly, the refugees... Medicines, medical equipment, new hospital departments, sponsoring talented youth and students, promoting investments in Serbia, promoting a positive image of Serbia, marking cultural, historic and other events, all that is wonderful. But, because he bears the historic last name that everyone in Serbia knows, he should do more. He should take the throne of the new Serbia! Of course, another advantage is that he is related, in one way or another, to almost all major Royal Families in Europe. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II of the UK, Northern Ireland and the Commonwealth is his godmother. No Serbian President will ever have such family ties and connections.
 
Countries that have Kings and Queens are in some ways more privileged than countries who do not. A King being crowned, a Princess being married, that is so much more romantic and so much more traditional, than the innauguration of any President in any Republic. Monarchies of today give us the sense of a modern fairy tale, a sense of the lost romance. Monarchies are not created over night. They are a symbol of continuity, tradition, unity. So, a country either has a King, or does not have a King. One can't just place an ad in the paper and conduct a job interview with potential candidates. One can't just pick someone out of a crowd and place a crown on his or her head. Serbia is not a nation that was made yesterday or 60 years ago. Serbia has a long history and the Monarchy is the essential and unbreakable part of it. Serbia has its own Royal Family, a dynasty which originated from the Serbian people, a dynasty that has marked the last 200 years of modern Serbian history.
 
When Croatia declared independence in 1991, it talked of a "thousand year dream", of "renewing the medieval state of Croatian Kings". I am sure that they would have crowned a King, if they had one. Serbia has one, its own, and yet it still bothers with Milosevic's Constitution, etc. None of this is part of our identity and should not be part of our future.
 
Let's stop wasting precious time and inventing solutions out of the blue, because we have one solution that has been here, right in front of our own very eyes. Let us make our ancestors proud once again and let us secure democracy, peace, prosperity for our children! While standing firm on the paths of our past and tradition, we must also look ahead into the future, with a smile and proud gaze!
 
The power of the centuries is on our side. With faith in God, it can be done, for the benefit of everyone in our beloved Serbia!
 
Long live the sovereign, independent state of Serbia!
 
Long live the Karadjordjevic Royal Family and His Royal Highness Crown Prince Alexander II!
 
Long live the Kingdom of Serbia!
 
 
P.S. Those of you from abroad, who can, please spread these lovely words. Ask your elected members of Congress, or members of the Eureopean Parliament or Russian Duma  to give support to the idea of the Kingdom of Serbia and to Crown Prince Alexander II, who is truly a symbol of tolerance, democracy and prosperity of Serbia. That will not be good just for Serbia itself, but also for the whole troubled Balkan region. Stability, peace and prosperity in Serbia will mean stability, peace and prosperity in the Balkans.
 
Thank you all for reading this inspiring letter. May God be with all of you.

Alex

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« on: May 24, 2006, 04:17:46 PM »
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STATEMENT OF HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS CROWN PRINCE ALEXANDER II FOLLOWING THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE MONTENEGRO REFERENDUM RESULTS

Dear citizens of Serbia, My dear people!

It has been officially confirmed that the people of Montenegro voted for independence.

I am sad, but I wish our Montenegrin brothers peace, democracy and happiness.

The people of Montenegro are our brothers and sisters no matter what if we live in one or in two countries, that is how it was and that is how it will be forever.

Now, it is time for us, Serbs, to completely dedicate ourselves to our Serbia. Too much blood has been spilled, too much strength of the people has been wasted, too much reputation has been lost in the twentieth century and even in the twenty first century with few positive results.

We cannot waste anymore precious time. Now is the golden time for Serbia to put itself in order, according to its measures. That measure is the Kingdom of Serbia.

I strongly believe in the Constitutional Parliamentary Kingdom of Serbia. Again, we need to be proud, a strong Serbia that is at peace with itself and with its neighbors. We were a proud, respected and happy country in the days of my great grandfather King Peter I. So, we can do it! Only if we have a form of governance close to the Serbian soul: the Kingdom of Serbia.

In modern Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchies, the Parliament and the Government rule and are elected in elections, just like in a Republic. The Head of the State is the King. The King respects all the political parties, but he is not the member of any political party!

That is the reason why Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchies are often more stable: for example the United Kingdom, Sweden, Holland, Belgium, and Spain… Spain is an exceptional example of a country that Monarchy with King Juan Carlos returned to the path the success and respect after decades of problems.

Simply, the King is above daily politics, he is the guardian of national unity, political stability and continuity of the state. In Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchies the King is the protector of public interest: there is no personal or party interest. What is most important is the interest of Serbia.

I am ready to meet all our politicians; we have to work together for the common good of Serbia, and to be friends in the name of the future of our country. I appeal for the end of the continuous wrangling, division and arguments. I appeal for mature democratic debate in the interest of Serbia. Serbia must have clear and realistic objectives.

Now, we must skillfully move ahead with political unity and maturity to launch a strategic plan for the future of Serbia. Serbia must be reborn as a modern nation respecting itself with a positive and respected image both internally and externally. That can be achieved with passionate and persistent work for our country, based on a clear vision of our future.

The Kingdom of modern Serbia will be a proud respected democratic country with respect for all citizens regardless of their political affiliation, religion or ethnic origin.

The Crown is positive for our democracy. The Crown respects and protects everyone. The Crown strengthens our democracy. The Crown brings credibility. The Crown reconciles.

I am proud of Serbia and wish to be the servant of our country. The Kingdom of Serbia is Serbia’s answer for a strong, democratic Serbia in Europe. The Kingdom of Serbia will provide the fastest way forward to the European Union, it will encourage work on attracting investments, stimulating economic growth, and work for the creation of jobs and social services, pensions and education of our youth.

Let’s not waste any more time. Serbia must move ahead.

I want to serve Serbia.

Long live Serbia!

Belgrade, 24 May 2006

Taken from: www.royalfamily.org
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« on: May 25, 2006, 05:35:17 AM »
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I hope Constitutional Monarchy will return in Serbia!
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« on: May 25, 2006, 02:30:48 PM »
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« on: May 26, 2006, 03:08:07 AM »
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I have to agree,  A parlimentary monarchy is the best option.  I do not not mean to be an abrasive Anerican but let's face it; they have tried everything else with limited success.  As stated earlier Spain could be the business-political model.

I wish Serbia all the luck in the world.

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« on: May 26, 2006, 09:18:18 AM »
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And here is a thumbs up for Tampa Bay! Hooray for Tampa Bay!  Kiss Kiss Kiss

Thanks!

I also wish Serbia all the luck in the world.  Cheesy

I think it's been enough. Enough of experimenting, enough of wandering, enough of suffering. We need to find our way - it's right there and some people still do not see it. We need to get ourselves together and into the EU. We have lost too much time and energy on projects that did not work in the end.

Something in my guts tells me we will be a Monarchy. The only thing I do not know is when.

I wish more of my people thought like this.

But, as Sherlock Holmes would say: Patience, my dear Dr Watson, patience.
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« on: May 26, 2006, 05:04:43 PM »
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I think it will take a lot of time for the monarchy-people here still connect the monarchs with the autocrats,but I also hope the best!  Smiley
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« on: June 01, 2006, 05:13:21 AM »
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I think it's been enough. Enough of experimenting, enough of wandering, enough of suffering. We need to find our way - it's right there and some people still do not see it. We need to get ourselves together and into the EU. We have lost too much time and energy on projects that did not work in the end.


I must bring up that Kind Michael of Romania was VERY instrumental in the admission of Romania to the EU.  Great Monarchs exercise their "power" through the influence of knowing people.  I cannot think of any Serbian except King Alexander who could get all the right and necessary people in the same room to iron out the details for Serbia's admission to the EU.

My word of advice to King Aleaxndrer is to end any family fueds that may exist immediately.  You will need all of your family working for and with you to aid in acheivement of all the goals Serbia needs to acheive.

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I think it will take a lot of time for the monarchy-people here still connect the monarchs with the autocrats,but I also hope the best!  Smiley

At least in regards to Serbia proper, the only period of its history where it was a productive nation, and saw relative peace and prosperity, was under the monarchy.

If you doubt that, let us compare it to 45 years of communist rule, and another 10 by a socialist dictator.

Alexander is a new man, with new ideas, and with a sincere belief for the prosperity of his nation.
He cannot be blamed for the faults of his forefathers.

For example, King Juan Carlos has been the champion of Spain's freedom and democracy, yet his forefathers were certainly despots.  

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I think it will take a lot of time for the monarchy-people here still connect the monarchs with the autocrats,but I also hope the best!  Smiley

For example, King Juan Carlos has been the champion of Spain's freedom and democracy, yet his forefathers were certainly despots.  

Regards

As I have stated before;  Spain is the best Business-Political model for Serbia to follow/adopt.

Just my opinion.


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« on: June 01, 2006, 07:06:52 PM »
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I also would very much like to see Serbia become a monarchy again.  The Crown Prince and Crown Princess have done much good for their country already, and I think that if they were to become King and Queen it could only make things even better.  I really do feel that it is only a matter of time before things start to happen.
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At least in regards to Serbia proper, the only period of its history where it was a productive nation, and saw relative peace and prosperity, was under the monarchy.

same goes for romania


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« on: June 02, 2006, 12:32:08 PM »
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It is very clear that the government of Serbia is not functioning.

You have the President on one side of the spectrum, and the Prime Minister on the other.  And I do not mean that each politician in these seats of powers are in different political parties/groups, but that each side is countering and going behing the back of the other.  

Serbian government has some major issues it needs to smooth out and clear up.  It needs a government that clears the path for prosperity.

We cannot say that monarchy will solve all the country's ills, but it will define power within the government (King rules, people (government) govern).

Serbia needs stability and it seems the outside figure of the Crown Prince could provide this.





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« on: June 02, 2006, 05:40:18 PM »
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Here! Here!  You stated the situtation much better than I.  Monarchy is the only option they have not tried since WWII.

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