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Offline Speedycat

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Questions on Precedence?
« on: May 09, 2005, 02:21:48 PM »
Can anyone attach here, or give me a link to a complete family tree of the Danish Royal family?  I have found a few in several books, but they have many blanks...either only showing the male line or saying "so-and so had one son and three daughters" but not naming them or giving dates.
I am attempting a huge project of a complete family tree of the inter-linked Victorian Era royals including in-laws and their siblings etc.  I have sheets and sheets of  artists' drawing paper taped together and it is over six feet long so far!  I am also trying to attach a photo for each person on the tree.

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Re: Questions on Precedence?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2005, 04:19:10 PM »
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Re: Questions on Precedence?
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2005, 10:35:52 PM »
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Please don't assume it is a complete family tree, consider it as "work in progress". I'm still working on adding the lesser known family members.



Here's another one that might be of help. To get to the earllier Danish kings, simply click on "Christian IX".

http://genealogy.euweb.cz/oldenburg/oldenburg7.html
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Re: Questions on Precedence?
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2007, 10:46:33 PM »
A couple of questions:

1.) Does HM Queen Ann Marie (albeit a non-existant) throne take precedence of HRH Princess Benediktine at the Danish Court (even though AM is the younger Sister)

2.) If she does and the Danish Court still recognises their titles; do any other Royal Courts?

3.) Does Crown Prince Pavlos take precedence over his Aunt at the danish Court?

4.) Does Crown Prince Pavlos take precedence of Prince Joachim at the danish Court?

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Re: Questions on Precedence?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2007, 12:37:36 PM »
I believe that Anne-Marie is styled 'Queen Anne-Marie' at the Danish court, with no territorial designation, so as a Queen and a HM, she surely takes precedence over Benedikte. That's the only light I can shed on it I'm afraid!
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Re: Questions on Precedence?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2007, 01:45:20 PM »
A couple of questions:

1.) Does HM Queen Ann Marie (albeit a non-existant) throne take precedence of HRH Princess Benediktine at the Danish Court (even though AM is the younger Sister)

2.) If she does and the Danish Court still recognises their titles; do any other Royal Courts?

3.) Does Crown Prince Pavlos take precedence over his Aunt at the danish Court?

4.) Does Crown Prince Pavlos take precedence of Prince Joachim at the danish Court?


1.) Yes

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3.) No

4.) No
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Re: Questions on Precedence?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2007, 10:45:55 PM »
Ann Marie was and continues to be a Queen.  She has followed the precedent set by many exiled Monarchs (including her in laws) of maintaining this as a personal title, irrelevant of whether they have a throne.  Naturally, depending on whether the country they are in recognises the government of the country they have been exiled from, the title is curtesy in nature . . . As a consort I think the title is somewhat safer than that of the sovereigns, a sovereign without a country has no real legitimate role, they no longer rule and the throne which was theirs is gone, a Queen however normally doesn’t rule, she is only a consort, a role that can continue unabated in exile.

I wonder was their a period of particular debate on the numerous occasions in which Greece exiled their royals, as in did the Danish government delay recognising the Greek regimes as official. . . .many countries have refused to aknowledge states for decades (didn’t America ignore the DR of China in the place of Taiwan for like 20 years??)

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Re: Questions on Precedence?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2007, 03:29:37 PM »
A king is a king even if he abdicated or was deposed unless he choses to grant himself another title.  For example Queen Christina of Sweden abdicated. In later life in Rome she is always referred to as Queen Christina never as Ex-Queen Christina. So Anne-Marie is a queen as her husband is a king. More problematic is the question of their children born after the parents being deposed. Should one refer to them as  princes of Greece or princes of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg- Glűcksburg or simply as princes. Anyone knows how Europen courts act on that matter?

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Re: Questions on Precedence?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2010, 11:21:46 AM »
Anyone knows how Europen courts act on that matter?
I was amused to see how the website of the Norwegian Royal Family dealt with this in the listing of godparents of Prince Sverre Magnus: One of them was Kronprins Pavlos av Grekenland. Rather clever, since "Grekenland" is the outdated (Latinate-Danish) name for Greece in Norwegian; approximately since the Greek monarchy was overthrown the native Greek form "Hellas" has become standard.
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