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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2006, 06:49:56 PM »
Dear Christian II

I'm fully in agreement with you, save up to the point that Russia must do it and offer it, peacefully. Architects of the New Russia, must take in every understanding of the people's needs, and the laws that will belong to the peoples for generations to come. Poor Russia has more than suffered enough, and more extensively in human loss than most any other country on the map. Still today no real known numbers have been established on the loss of lives. It's said that range to be an inordinate loss than of any lives lost, known today. No, Russia must never relive any type of political nightmares again. Never is too soon.

Your more than correct in what you have stated.Political parties represent only part of the population. The scandanavian model of governing looks to me to be one of the best.  ;) Thanks for your input.

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Take a look on the kingdoms of Europe of today, especially the Scandinavian could be models for a Russian monarchy, one of Russiaís great and much beloved Czarina Marie Feodorovna actual came from Denmark. I strongly believe that Russia need a unifying symbol, of course not a absolute monarchy but a monarchy which have certain influence even the politics.
Remember a political party represent only a part of the population, The Czar represent the whole population.
All that was created under the Czars are ruin under the politicians, now Imperial Russia is divided in several countries, which furthermore are in conflict with each other, donít forget The Czar was not only Emperor over Russia but also over Ukraine, Kazakhstan and so on.
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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2006, 10:21:26 AM »
It took force to assemble the Russian Empire, it took force to hold it together under the tsars, it took force to hold it together under the soviets, and it's taking force even today to keep the rump intact.  What has changed that would make the former components now willingly subordinate their fates again to a tsarist government dominated by ethnic Russians, even a constitutional one?

Granted, the breaking up of Eastern Europe into states so small that they have barely the population and resources of a large Western city (Czech Republic ~10 million people; Slovak Republic ~5 million, Austria ~12 million, etc.) does not auger well for their future economic development.  But most of the constituent states of the old Russian Empire have much larger critical masses than that.

Except for the self-aggrandizement of the tsars, there was no logical reason for assembling an ethnic polyglot that covered 1/6 of the world's land mass and that has perpetually required force to keep it from flying apart.

This strikes me rather like a couple attempting to save a really bad marriage by having a child.  Usually everyone involved suffers.

It's time people in the former Russian Empire quit looking to a tsar to fix their problems.

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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2006, 07:23:40 PM »
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... It's time people in the former Russian Empire quit looking to a tsar to fix their problems.


Few Russians inside have concerns about the concept of the monarchy, except in their history books.

Much of the emphasis about this issue is placed by pretenders living outside of Russia's borders. †


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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2006, 08:43:26 PM »
Fair point.

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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2006, 02:18:04 AM »
I have to agree with your all, it is a very complex question but something has to be done in order to make Russia a happy and great country it deserves. Russia has all what needs to make her an affluent state, but until now none of Russiaís vast reserves of resources has been for the benefit of ordinary people. Oh some are very rich indeed but I donít think they have any interest in the Russian people at all. Robert was right in his view about a role for the Romanovs, involvement in charity, but to day the Romanovs do not have any funding to pay for the charities. All the Romanov possessions where stolen, It was a great mistake by the Romanov family to give up all demand on getting their possessions back, noble to do so, but it donít help anyone except the richest. Without any doubt the international court in Haag would have been in favor of giving the Romanov possessions back or a giant compensation, and for that amount the Romanov would really be able to help the people.    
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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2006, 03:01:27 AM »
No of cause any Russians inside have concerns about the concept of the monarchy, they have a lot other things to do, I donít think the political rulers are interesting in concept of monarchy either. Maybe the Romanovs should make a political monarchy party, former Bulgarian king Simeon did so and was Bulgariaís president until last election. With a Romanov as Czar or president Russia would certain be very welcomed  to Europe and join the EU. Russia is a very important part of Europe and belongs to that part of the world. Russia has playing a major factor in Europeís freedom and stability.
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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2006, 06:06:04 AM »
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All the Romanov possessions where stolen, It was a great mistake by the Romanov family to give up all demand on getting their possessions back, noble to do so, but it donít help anyone except the richest.


Noble?  How about realistic?

And just what were the "Romanov possessions"?  Palaces built with conscripted state labor?  Things bought with funds from the civil list, which was funded from state coffers?  Lands farmed by indentured peasant labor?

And why wouldn't the Romanovs want to help only the richest?  That's what they did for 300 years on the throne.

Look, as royal dynasties go, the Romanovs are among my favorites.  And I sometimes long to travel back in time to sample real life under the tsars (at least if I could do so as a wealthy nobleman).  But the last thing I would want would be to have any of that crowd pop up on the scene today.  Their time has passed . . . and for very good reason.

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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2006, 01:01:01 PM »
Simeon in Bulgaria did not form a monarchist party. He formed a political party committed to the republic. He renounced any claims to to his former position as king.
As for funds for "good causes" in Russia, MV does not need any of her own to donate, she does make awareness and by her prescense encourage others to participate, I believe.

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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2006, 10:21:22 PM »
You are both right, I know Imperial Russia supported the rich (the noble families), I too did not wanted to be poor labor in Russia at that time, but I did not want to be poor labor in any country at that time, remember it is 100 years ago, at that time it was very hard in all countries for ordinary people. Imperial Russia was some years behind the great other European countries in changing from agricultural to industrial development, but it was only a matter of relative short time before it would had happened.
Romanovs helping only the richest, well I believe most governments and political parties are doing exactly the same even today, it will never change and certainly the successors of the Czars did not changed that.
In you view about palaces built with conscripted state labor and lands farmed by indentured peasant labor, well in that case no one posses anything because all great palaces and estates build centuries ago were all build by state labor and the big estate acreages by peasant labor.
The Romanovs was actually one of the richest, if not the richest family in the world. It is the right of the majority to choose the form of government they want to, even to acquire compulsorily of The Czarís possessions, but it requires a big majority in the Duma and then a big majority by the people and then the court will decide the compensation according to the estimates of the value. Something similarly happen to King Constantine of Greek, by the European Court of Justice.
Robert, I do not know very much about MV and her work for Russia, sorry thatís my fault. In Denmark we consider Nicholas and Dimitri to be possible successors. Last year we had a Romanov evening on Danish TV, including a portrait of Dimitri Romanov who lives in Denmark, a very sympathetic and not self-aggrandizement at all, he say that the Romanovs were happy being rehabilitate and has officially being apologized for what happen to the family by the president of Russia and continued that The Romanov apologized for the wrong doing under the Czars and the familyís wish to help the Russian people. Dimitri is often in Russia as chairman for Romanov Fund for Russia to relief and assistance for underprivileged children in the Russian Federation and the Commonwealth of Independent States, a fund helping Russian kids, last time I think it was hearing aid for the children with hearing disabilities, The governor of Saint Petersburg wants the noble families particularly the Romanovs to come back and help to build a new Russia and was actually offering to give back the big estate of Dimitriís family.
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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2006, 11:33:16 PM »
I heard about a government offer to return property to the present day Romanovs from Nikita Nikitavich Romanov about ten years ago. He told me that they offered a small palace in Tsarsko Selo to the family if they restored it themselves. The cost to restore the building then was well over 1 million dollars. The family did not feel that property rights were secure in present day Russia, so they passed on this offer.

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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2006, 03:36:58 PM »
Are any of the current Romanovs interested in residing in Russia? †Any idea which palace they were offered?

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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2006, 04:49:33 PM »
I believe that Nikita said the Empress' cottage. I have very little knowledge of the Tsarsko Selo palaces so I do not know if there is only one such building or a number of them that could be described this way.

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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2006, 12:21:27 PM »
I don't know much about the lesser buildings at Tsarskoe Selo, either.

Could he have meant the Cottage Palace (also called The Alexandra Cottage, after Nicholas I's wife) at Peterhof -- although I think that building has been fully restored?

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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2006, 07:35:10 AM »
The palace's name is Znamenka. The palace Prince Dimitri was offered.
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Re: How likely is Russia to become a monarchy agai
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2006, 11:15:35 AM »
Anyway, I don't think Russia is likely to become a monarchy at all soon, because there is just so much more to resolve, and the memories of so many events run too deep. Monarchy is not what Russia needs right now, at least. It is best to realize, and most people do, that Imperial Russia was a Russia of the past, and today's Russia is a far cry from then. So monarchy may never come back, and it if it does, it should choose a wisetime, which obviously isn't now.