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Re: N. P. Sablin
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2014, 11:58:11 PM »
He's not one of my favorites. He always looks too smooth and even phony in his photos  for my tastes. But none can say what they themselves  would do in a such a situation. It's easy for us to say  while sitting at  keyboard . But what would we do if put to the test?
 We can never tell unless we face it.

We can say what we think we would do...not the same thing in the least. Such sacrifice  is rare...that's why it moves us so much.  And I would say which way one goes is detected by an  instinct . You find yourself jumping off  or staying on board and if asked why, each one might shrug their shoulders....who can say really ? The moment came and you chose, that is all . He could have relived that moment the rest of his life and still not know why

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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2014, 04:38:45 AM »
I seems harsh to condemn a man almost 100 years later for a perceived dereliction of duty.  From what I recall (I have tried to find the place that I read it, but to no avail at present) he had a young family at the time.  Botkin made the decision to chose duty over family, and has been condemned himself for this, so it's really a no win situation.  We rely on very old, often probably biased, accounts.  Best to keep an open mind.

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2014, 07:48:56 AM »
How many of us have ever had an employer we'd be willing to sacrifice everything for? Family, livelihood, life itself everything? I'd wager there aren't many. Granted, most of us don't work for heads of state, but even so. It's not going to be a popular point of view around here, but I honestly have an easier time comprehending the mindset of those who chose to leave than of those who chose to stay often putting their own families in peril.
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2014, 08:54:42 AM »
Of course it's also important to keep in mind that those who stayed probably didn't think they would have been killed as a result. They realized there were risks, certainly, but had they been fairly certain they'd wind up before a firing squad I'm guessing they might have returned to their families and promptly fled Russia rather than remain with their imperial employers.
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2014, 12:27:50 PM »
I have to agree with the last two posts and think it is highly likely that those who stayed did not realise the risk involved as even the IF believed (at least at the beginning) that they would be allowed to leave Russia at some stage.

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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2014, 02:29:46 PM »
I have to agree with the last two posts and think it is highly likely that those who stayed did not realise the risk involved as even the IF believed (at least at the beginning) that they would be allowed to leave Russia at some stage.

Right. And it doesn't take anything away from their character or diminish their loyalty towards the Imperial Family, but reality is reality. Had they believed the IF was doomed and that their own lives were in grave danger simply by associating with them it's hard to believe they would have gone through with it.
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2014, 06:27:32 PM »
According to the book "The house of Special Purpose" Alexandra told Gibbes when ha arrived at Tobolsk that some of the people who were supposed to be devoted to her Major General Ressin and Count Grabbe had been merely time-servers. According to his testimony in the Archives.org book Last days of the Romanovs she was glad to see he was still loyal.

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Re: N. P. Sablin
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2014, 02:24:34 AM »

Perhaps somebody can help with this:

What was the name of N. P. Sablin's wife?

Any other info on her will be most appreciated.

Seems that she was a harpist.


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Re: N. P. Sablin
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2014, 02:59:59 PM »

Perhaps somebody can help with this:

What was the name of N. P. Sablin's wife?

Any other info on her will be most appreciated.

Seems that she was a harpist.


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Re: N. P. Sablin
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2014, 03:18:17 PM »

Perhaps somebody can help with this:

What was the name of N. P. Sablin's wife?

Any other info on her will be most appreciated.

Seems that she was a harpist.


Evgenia Lvovna? http://www.dommuseum.ru/index.php?m=dist&pid=12515&PHPSESSID=da6e293f80df7744931d451004f6ae4b

PS: Further minor request: Anyone know her maiden name?
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Re: N. P. Sablin
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2014, 02:30:12 PM »
No idea about her maiden name, but here in french is an interesting article about the Russian diaspora in Gagny (France), the place where she died: http://blog.gagny-abbesses.info/public/Russes/Presence_Russes_Chelles-Gagny.pdf

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Re: N. P. Sablin
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2014, 01:48:05 AM »
A little help here please with clarification on this. This thread is about Nilolai Pavlovich Sablin , commander of the Imperial yacht Standart 1906-1914, Imperial Family intimate, and who had a notable friendship with Olga . Apparently he wrote a brief memoir of this period, though curiously it is little read or cited by few experts here , which is surprising since it should be a goldmine of IF lore and anecdotes. Perhaps it has something to do with his bailing out on Nicholas and the family, 3/9/1917.

And then there is Nikolai Vasilievich Sablin,  no relation to NP. Well all right, but he was a second captain serving at the time as NP on the Standart and wrote a book on that period :Desyat let na Imperatorskoi Yaxte Standart  (Ten Years On The Imperial Yacht Standart).  It has a lot of anecdotes on the IF as well as hundreds of photos. But it was only published in Russia in 2009. So where was it til then? I don't know his years, date of death, but  it will have been written post-Romanov downfall and he must have sat on it, presumably his family coming forth with it in this century. I know its being in Russsian hinders its usefulness here  in the West and for Romanov enthusiasts generally, but I'm still surprised so little from it seems to have been talked about or referred to.

So I guess my question is a general one: What do we know of Nikolai Vasilievich Sablin, the story of  the book's  whereabouts and publication history, and , mainly, what does he have to say about Imperial Family life on Standart? I understand the photos on it are pretty good and I would imagine his anecdotes about the Romanovs would be as well. So what's the story on NV?
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Re: N. P. Sablin
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2014, 04:47:34 AM »
NP Sablin's 'memoirs' are not really that comprehensive or insightful, unfortunately.  I have not read them, but others have. 

I have wondered the same thing about the photos and memoirs of NV Sablin.  I have the book you discuss - it's beautiful and well worth buying for the photos (if still available?) - but it would be wonderful to have a translation of the text!!!

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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2014, 12:33:46 AM »
Interesting, spoofs. As for N.P.'s memoirs, insight would have been desirable, but I'd be happy with just some good anecdotes about the Romanovs and  life on the Standart . I guess there were some, but apparently not nearly what one might expect from one so close to the IF for so long.

It's neat you have NV's book ("Ten Years...")On the Booksearch feature on the main AP site Sarushka does a writeup on it. That's where I got my info and you confirm  that the book overall and especially the photos are golden. Likewise I'd love a good  English translation, though it doesn't seem one is imminent.

Coincidentally, I'm reading now Helen Rappaport's wonderful "Romanov Sisters and she has included quite a few citations from NV Sablin's book there. Some touching and 'original' anecdotes about OTMAA. It just makes me want to access Ten Years all the more. So we can be reasonably sure its contents are indeed worth reading.
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Re: N. P. Sablin
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2014, 03:53:22 AM »
Well, I know for a fact that HR accessed NP Sablin's memoirs for Four Sisters - which says a lot about it's lack of content, as it hardly made the pages.