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Crown Princess Margarita of Romania & Prince Radu
« on: May 15, 2005, 01:00:22 PM »
I'm wondering who is the Heir of the Throne of Romania; because King Michael and Queen Anna haven't any son, but there the King Charles II's son, Prince Mircea; could this prince become Heir? Could a Princess become Heir?

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Re: Crown Princess Margarita of Romania & Prince Radu
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2005, 12:24:53 AM »
According to the house laws, the Prince of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen is responsible for naming an heir from that house on the death of King Michael. However, the house laws - incorporated into a now-defunct Romanian constitution - anticipated none of the changes that have occured in the last 100 or so years. These include the eclipse of monarchies in general and the growth of cognatic succession in many of the remaining monarchies.

Mircea Lambrino and his son are not legitimate according to the house laws, and thus do not have succession rights.

Princess Margarita is, in my opinion, very well qualified to succeed her father. However, no Romanians are lining up to seek my opinion <g>!

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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2005, 05:21:33 AM »
I though "prince Mircea" has been legitimated.
Thank you very much for your useful informations!!!

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Re: Crown Princess Margarita of Romania & Prince Radu
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2005, 01:03:38 PM »
he was not legitimized
the laws say male line... did prince nicholas have any sons? cause if not, by law, it should go to one of ferdinand's brothers' heirs.... if there are any on the male line...  :-/

still, this conversation is pretty pointless cause i doubt romania will become a monarchy ever again...
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2005, 02:41:31 PM »
Hi ilyala,
realy I don't know the royal Romanian laws, so I asked!
I don't guess that this can be just a minutia, a pointless, because a Royal House represents something for many people in Romania for King Michael's House as in Italy for the Royal House of Savoia, etc.
Maybe Romania will be forever a republic, but it's important to know who is the Chief of that House that rapresents a so long period in Romania's life and culture, this is right for Romania as for others Royal Houses (and not just Royal) of countries that are republics now.
Take a minute to thik about this!

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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2005, 09:40:07 PM »
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Hi ilyala,
realy I don't know the royal Romanian laws, so I asked!
I don't guess that this can be just a minutia, a pointless, because a Royal House represents something for many people in Romania for King Michael's House as in Italy for the Royal House of Savoia, etc.
Maybe Romania will be forever a republic, but it's important to know who is the Chief of that House that rapresents a so long period in Romania's life and culture, this is right for Romania as for others Royal Houses (and not just Royal) of countries that are republics now.
Take a minute to thik about this!


Lorenzo,

You are absolutely 100% correct, in my opinion, if for no other reason so that "Dynastic" question does not absorb poltical discussion that needs to be spent on poltical and econimic matters needed to rebuild the country.

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Re: Crown Princess Margarita of Romania & Prince Radu
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2005, 10:08:49 PM »
Romania [begining with Dacia] has over 2000 years of history. The Hohenzollern monarchy occupied a rather less than creditable 80.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2005, 05:59:15 AM »
Yes, it's true, but why should we forget those 80 years? We should think about all those thigs that happened during the Hohenzollern's monarchy. Those 80 years, I guess, are important for Romania's history.
Like Italy; we started our history with the ancient Greece and with the Etruscans; almost 3000 years but the period between thi Indipendency (17 march 1861) and the proclamation of republic is in any case very important for us!

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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2005, 01:26:59 PM »
i apologize if my reply to your question seemed a bit harsh. it wasn't my intention. i have no problem discussing king michael's heirs, i'm just saying it's theoretical and it's going to stay that way.

romania has recently come out of a period of 50 years of communism. in those years, one of the main objectives of the leaders was to erase the hohenzollern period from the romanian mind. and it worked. few romanians care about king michael. he's an old guy who speaks at occasions (with a very strong foreign accent) and who calls himself king of romania. i do not wish to offend anyone by saying that, i'm just stating a reality. they care even less about whoever will succeed him.

again i apologize if i come on too strong. i am generally known for not beating around the bush and maybe that's a fault but i certainly believe things should be said the way they are :)
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2005, 01:49:30 PM »
I do not think you said anything harsh, it is the truth. Just as I maintain that the Hohenzollerns did little to credit themselves to Romania. There just is not very much to remember their rule by other than bitter political power struggles and a couple of colourful Queens known for their eccentricities rather than any real contribution.
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2005, 04:45:39 AM »
no, actually, i don't agree with that. king carol 1st was a good king, and he helped a lot with the development of romania. king ferdinand was weak but his reign was pretty successfull, i think. king carol 2nd is the one who pretty much ruined the prestige of the hohenzollerns in romania. and king michael did not have any time to re-establish it.

but it's not what i was saying, really. what i'm saying is that for 50 years only people who were actually studied history (as in higher education - they took history courses at university) were taught anything about the monarchy period in romania. the lesson about the independance of romania did not even include king carol 1st's name, when people were taught about the very important acts of unity with bucovina, basarabia and transylvania in 1918 they were taught that it was the will of the people, but no-one actually talked about governments, kings or anything. the prestige (or lack of it) of the romanian monarchy is something that had an effect over the ones who actually lived in those times. whoever was born and (most important) educated after the 2nd world war, had very few ways of finding out that romania actually had kings and what those kings did for romania. and even if many would have probably been interested, i'm pretty sure most of them didn't know what to ask... :)

basically by 1989, when communism fell, you had way too many generations of people who didn't even know that romania used to be a monarchy. how could you expect them to care about king michael?
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Re: Crown Princess Margarita of Romania & Prince Radu
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2005, 07:20:10 AM »
Hi Yliala,
yes it's true, during the comunist dictature nobody studied or told about Romanian Royal House, but I'm sure that King Michael is in the people mind as a symbol of anticomunism; do you remember how many Romanian were in Bucarest to await King Michael's back any years after 1989? I guess Royal House re-won a respectability thanks to King Michael's rectitude and his respect for democracy; may be he is more son of Queen Helen than King Charles II!!   ;)

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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2005, 08:49:12 AM »
I think that King Michael made the right choice in August 1944. The court coup d'etat gave his country a chance to regain Transylvania. Moreover, he helped Romania enter NATO and the EU. I really wonder whether the people could thank him enough. Of course, return to monarchy is impossible.

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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2005, 03:07:10 PM »
As you, I don't think a monarchy come back is possible in Romania, but I don't guess King Michael is interesting in this thing; with all those great problems that Romania has, I'm sure he's working just to develop his country.
I guess, but it's just my though, a king or former king or a heir of former monarchy, should work for his people, for his country and not to restablish a monarchy; beeing a "princeps" he is on an higher order than others people, he is a differt citizen and he must use his particular position just for wellfare of his Nation and for democracy. King Michael did it and does it!!!

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Re: Crown Princess Margarita of Romania & Prince Radu
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2005, 06:04:40 AM »
I believe Princess Margareta, Michael's eldest daughter (he's ahd no sons) is his heir presumtive (if we can really speak of an heir to a country where the throne is nonexistent), but since she has no issue, the rights will fall on her next sister and from her to her son, Nicholas Medforth-Mills. Can anyone forward any info about him and how closely he is to Romania, or the whole family for that matter?