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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2006, 08:15:49 AM »
Alexandra was in Greece , almost just after the getting the birth to Maria , in the october of 1890.

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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2006, 11:23:44 AM »
Thanks for all the photos and info about this little known Grand Duchess. The pictures are lovely. How was she thought of by her children in future years? They must have known had she lived they woudn't have been put in the care of Ella and Sergei, and Marie Pavlovna, Alexandra's daughter, always said that Ella was not that kind to her. That could be dramatics for her autobiography, but did Marie P. think her life would have been happier had her mother lived?

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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2006, 02:01:56 PM »
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T That could be dramatics for her autobiography, but did Marie P. think her life would have been happier had her mother lived?
I guess Maria Pavlovna did think that her life would have been happier and easier with her mother. It's a natural feeling for a child who lost his mother...Though Maria does not say anything on this in her memories.

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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2006, 02:51:44 PM »
I don't think Maria dwelled over the fact that she did not have a mother or struggled with it too deeply. She may have felt that her life would have been easier or at least more "normal" with her mother in it but I don't think the fact played too much into her day to day life. Afterall Maria had no memories of her mother or the transitional period she a Dimitri went through in the years following their mother's death. It is harder to miss someone that you never knew.

Knowing how close Alexandra and Ella were, I'm sure Alexandra would have been pleased to know that Ella would become the children's gardian. Alexandra proabaly would rather have had no one else fill the position. This does not seem to have mattered to Maria P though or influenced the way she viewed Ella. I may be slightly off here. -

I think that if Maria truly cared about her dead mother then the mere fact that Ella had been so close to her would have endeared Maria to Ella a bit more.
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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2006, 08:21:53 AM »
That's true. It seems although other people regarded her as something of a saint, or at least a nice woman, Ella seemed to suffer in Marie's eyes. This could have been simply personality clash, or the fact that perhaps Ella resented Marie because she had no children of her own, although she was not this way to Dmitri, it is said. Marie perhaps did not think much about her mother, and I doubt Dmitri did too much. Which one of them was more like her anyway? Although it's hard to know that much about Alexandra G.

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After Alexandra & Paul married did he accompany her to the family get togethers in Denmark?
Or did they as a couple attend any of them?
I'm not sure, but I don't think that they did. In 1891 there was a family gathering in Denmark, but without Alexandra Georgievna. She became ill and died during the gathering, and her parents and Alexander III and MF left Denmark to attend the funeral.  

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T Marie perhaps did not think much about her mother, and I doubt Dmitri did too much. Which one of them was more like her anyway?
I think that Maria was more like her mother - mostly not in the appearance but in character.
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After Alexandra & Paul married did he accompany her to the family get togethers in Denmark?
Or did they as a couple attend any of them?
I'm not sure, but I don't think that they did. In 1891 there was a family gathering in Denmark, but without Alexandra Georgievna. She became ill and died during the gathering, and her parents and Alexander III and MF left Denmark to attend the funeral.  

Alexandra suffered from complications during her second pregnancy - I believe it was eclampsia. I don't know why she didn't have better prenatal care, as pre-eclampsia is a known complication and is treated with bed rest. This could have saved her and in saving her, could have spared her family much grief.

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Indeed, you would think she would have gotten fairly good care, but child birth was dangerous to the mother and child, even as late as 1890, although no doubt it was less dangerous than it had been earlier. They would most likely have had more children had Alexandra lived longer, and perhaps both her children might have been happier people, or more settled. Marie Pavlovna could have been like her mother; thanks for telling me that as I know little of Grand Duchess Alexandra.

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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2006, 08:09:44 PM »
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After Alexandra & Paul married did he accompany her to the family get togethers in Denmark?
Or did they as a couple attend any of them?

I just found out that GD Paul and GDss Alexandra attendet a gathering in 1889, the same year they got married, and her brother George finished his education in Denmark. Vicky (Empress Friedrich) also attended the gathering along with Princess Sophie who was engaged to Crown Prince Konstantin.

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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2007, 03:14:59 PM »
I have just finish to colorize this one of Alexandra and Ella and post it  in Having Fun.

I know that this is not the place to post colored pictures but i have not it in bw right now.

I hope youŽll like it.


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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2007, 08:25:42 AM »
I was reading about Queen Olga of Greece and her daughter Grand Duchess Alexandra Georgievna, who was married to Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich.  Anyway, the article indicated that when Alexandra died shortly after childbirth (Grand Duke Dimnitri) she died and was buried with the rest of the Imperial family in Russia.  However, in 1938 her body was moved out of Russia and buried with the Greek Royal family in Tatoi outside of Athens.  I found this incredible on two counts.  How did they manage to convince Stalin to turn over her remains and then why would Stalin permit it in the first place?  Does anyone know how this event transpired?  Who asked for the remains to be returned to Greece?  Any information would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2008, 03:59:17 PM »
So pretty! Isn't that her engagement photos?

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Re: Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovitch,his 1st wife Alexandra & their family
« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2008, 01:01:58 AM »
So pretty! Isn't that her engagement photos?

More likely.