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Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« on: May 22, 2005, 08:34:01 AM »
This Palace now is destroyed, but in the past was very big, it was used by Imperial Family until Napoleon moved war to Russia

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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2005, 08:35:16 AM »
In the former site of the Palace now there is a beautiful park

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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2005, 01:25:17 PM »
Catherine II did not like the palace when it was completed and so she wanted it to be destroy and rebuilt but she died and so the palace has been forgotten.

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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2005, 11:47:25 AM »

Tsarytsino is now a delitful garden and parc.

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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2005, 01:38:08 AM »
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Catherine II did not like the palace when it was completed and so she wanted it to be destroy and rebuilt but she died and so the palace has been forgotten.


As they said on TV a few weeks ago, the palace has never been completed inside because Catherine the Great died and her son didn’t want to spend funds to complete the building, so it was desolated. Now Moscow’s government is going to restore the palace and build the insides, but nobody knows what plan will be used (as you could see in the photos, the palace has nothing but the walls and the grass grows inside it. The palace is expected to be a museum when rebuilt.

Meanwhile I visited the place again and made some new photos (2005.June.23).
http://acritum.com/tol/photos/tsaritsino/ .

You can see more magnificent photos (mostly Russian temples, monasteries and churches) at http://acritum.com/tol/photos/ . Some of them are 8-10 centuries old.



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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2005, 02:42:06 AM »
For the record the palace at Tsaritsyno was never completed because Catherine lost interest in it....It was designed by the Russian Bazenhov who designed many buildings for Catherine most of which were never completed. He did complete the arsenal in St. Petersburg and his most ambitious project was the propesed reconstruction of teh Kremlin to create a grand neoclassical edifice. Had it been completed it would have neccesitated the removal a great portion of the Krmlin walls along the river. I have seen pics of teh model and it would have indeed been grand!!!

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2005, 03:31:00 AM »
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For the record the palace at Tsaritsyno was never completed because Catherine lost interest in it....


This is just a part of the story. The whole story (in my rough translation):

1775 Vasiliy Ivanovich Bazhenov begins to build the palace. The project was finished 1785. On Summer 1785 Catherine visits the place and, as they say, shouts “it’s a gaol but not a palace!” and orders to destruct it and build a new one. Matwey Fedorovich Kazakov was supposed to build a new palace. Kazakov destructed the palace completely but was not able to build a new one: he constructed 2-storey walls (which you can see now in the photos) and the roofs, which existed until the 1880s. After Catherine died in 1796 the palace was desolated. A partial restoration of the palace took place only in 1980-1990s but it still looks like picturesque debris.

This stuff in Russian (full version): http://www.msk.hop.ru/refer/73.htm

Tsaritsino official homepage: http://www.museum.ru/M286

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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2005, 05:11:46 AM »
The official site in not very beautiful   :'(

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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2006, 02:11:50 PM »
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Tsaritsino official homepage: http://www.museum.ru/M286


In looking at the aerial shot, I must say that Catherine was right.  It does look more like a prison than a palace.  

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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2006, 11:47:00 AM »
Nobody talks about Tsaritsyno the old palace in ruins of CAtherine 2 the great which should be reconstruct in this year...

Has someone some shots,photographies of the places or informations...?

Thanks all of us,

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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2006, 02:52:02 AM »
Here some photos of the estate of Tsaristsino by Wandering camera...
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/caricino/index_e.html

Please tell me if you have some photos or informations about the reconstruction...
Thanks Vassili

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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2006, 12:19:24 PM »
The palace was never ended as Catherine disliked the building.

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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2006, 01:58:59 PM »
Yes this story is as a myth...Do you think that is  better to complete the monument or to let him as a  romantics ruins?

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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2006, 08:09:37 PM »
Life has to be romantic, don't you think?
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Re: Tsarytsino,palace in reconstruction
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2006, 03:58:01 AM »
MORE about a restoration which should create a fake... :'( excerpt ot the websitehttp://www.maps-moscow.com/index.php?chapter_id=151&data_id=60&do=view_single
 Scandals at Tsaritsyno

Tsaritsyno, one of Moscow’s most romantic attractions, a ruined, unfinished eighteenth century palace, is being illegally ‘finished’ by Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov who has declared that he wants the building to be completed and transformed into Moscow’s equivalent of the Hermitage museum. Despite having no official permissions to carry out the construction work that will give the palace a roof, windows, partitions and an interior, Mr Luzhkov is continuing work apace.

Tsaritsyno has stood unused and unfinished since 1785 when Catherine the Great decided that she didn’t like the work of architects Vassily Bazhenov and Matvei Kazakov who had created a palace in a fantastic hybrid of Gothic and Classical styles in the midst of a landscaped park. It has since become beloved of Muscovites as a picturesque ruin and a memorial to imperial whims.
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Work commenced in December without an approved plan. Preservationist experts were horrified to see that despite this a metal roof support has already been erected. Two projects exist for the roof, one of them far more elaborate than the other. It is as yet unknown which will be constructed.

The elegant ‘Bread House’ beside the main palace building, is almost restored, and yet its courtyard is to be covered by a high glass dome that will compete with the palace’s roof in height. Visitors will enter the palace through an underground entrance in a glass pavilion, to be built in the style of the palace, much to the concern of specialists. Restoration of the existing walls is also underway; concrete and metal are being used in the restoration process, which is being undertaken with great haste in order for the building to be ready for Moscow’s City Day in summer 2007. Alexei Komech, Director of Moscow’s Art History Institute noted, “throughout the country we are losing thousands of wonderful buildings through lack of funds. But in the case of the Tsaritsyno ensemble, a masterpiece is being deformed because there is too much money in the Moscow building market.”