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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #135 on: March 08, 2009, 03:12:41 PM »
I'm sure Rasputin knew hypnotics and used these to stop the bleeding(as stated before),

and as for the different ways Alix and Ella approached their faith's it is intresting to see they both accepted it with their whole being but that Ella kept a string to reality and relied on her faith, but kept an eye on things around her, while Alix was too religious and often relied too much on her faith. Though I can understand why Alix relied so much on her faith, she simply wanted healing for her son and saw only one way to ask, by her faith. I think it is sad the sisters parted after an argue on  Rasputin, once more, and never met again. I recall the last news IF received from Ella was in a letter for Easter 1918 - If I'm correct.

For me Ella is a 'figure' that gives hope during dark times, and a bearer for the needs of the poor and grieving people, I see each member of the IF in this way - but each has a different meaning, relegious then -, also she shows one can have the strenght to overcome everything. Even death and hatred(as this also is shown with the IF themselves).
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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #136 on: March 08, 2009, 03:59:16 PM »
Ella was more general in faith, while Alicky was too focused on her son and the dynasty, her views on Russia were unrealistic.

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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #137 on: March 08, 2009, 05:39:35 PM »
Ella was more general in faith, while Alicky was too focused on her son and the dynasty, her views on Russia were unrealistic.

Yes. But remember she writhed because Russia's fate. Maybe a bit late...Imperial_Grounds is correct, Rasputin made lode between sisters. There is something more, I am sure.
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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #138 on: March 08, 2009, 05:47:40 PM »
Ella believe if God wanted Alexei to survive, he will. The interferece of Rasputin has no place in government appointed officials. Alicky believed if Alexei died the dynasty goes with him...

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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #139 on: March 09, 2009, 03:54:04 AM »
Oh why can Alicky think about that?
She can pass the throne to Olga (not sure if I'm right since i don't know if Pauline laws can be altered)

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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #140 on: March 09, 2009, 08:25:39 AM »
Maybe, but people would love to see Aleksei on the Throne, rather than Olga. Since Tatiana was more popular in people, anyway.
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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #141 on: March 09, 2009, 11:41:27 AM »
In the old days, threy could arrange a marrage with Cyril or Boris and the thorne and the bloodline would have succeeded. However Alicky wasn't interested in a dynastic marriage for her daughters. Had she insist Olga marry Karol, she would probably have lived...

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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #142 on: March 09, 2009, 12:41:26 PM »
Or Alexander of Serbia...But more about Olga's possible marriages in her own thread, I think it was Olga's will, firstly.

However, Ella Feodorovna was an very good, heartly person, I am hounoured with her.  :-)
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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #143 on: March 09, 2009, 02:52:54 PM »
Nicholas' daughters followed all the men in the family, so they were way down in the line of succession.  The Fundamental laws were changed during at various times.  Alexander III and Nicholas both made changes to the laws.   I would like to think that if the Russian monarchy had survived - no revoluion - that Nicholas would have allowed for the succession to be changed to Male primogeniture, which would have moved the four granddiuchess up the list to right after their brother.  The main opposition would have come from Miechen, of couirse, since the change would have greatly afected her family, particularly Kirill.

Oh why can Alicky think about that?
She can pass the throne to Olga (not sure if I'm right since i don't know if Pauline laws can be altered)
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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #144 on: March 09, 2009, 03:29:26 PM »
Indeed. There was a thought of marrying Olga to Grand Duke Dimitri and strengthen his claim. According to his researcher who had his diary to quote. Dimitri flirted with the thought of claiming the throne as the case in Russia after the situation was so dire. However eventually he supported Kyrill.

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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #145 on: January 22, 2010, 10:20:51 AM »
Question 1.  When Her Imperial Highness "Ella" the Grand Duchess Serge of All the Russia's converted to orthodoxy her father the Grand Duke Of Hesse-Darmstadlt had a "fit"---did, COULD  an unspoken "agreement" exsisted for Alix NOT to convert at all since these were the early days of her and Nicky's romance-could this be another reason for her uncompliance for accepting the HEIR TO THE RUSSIAN THRONE  for husbanc????   QUESTION 2.  How do we know or donot know of her and everyone know about the dreaded bleeding disease that cripppled Her Majesty Victoria's son, (Alix's uncle Leopold) and brother Frittie who flew out of her mother's window to his death-both having the bleeding disease.  The Reputable Robert Massie and Greg King seem to think Alix may not have even been aware of the reasons why and how but what do you think-love to you all Ms. Sean a devoted subject to Imperial Russia
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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #146 on: June 07, 2010, 10:16:03 PM »
Strange that neither Ella nor Serge seemed to give much thought as to how Alix would function as an Empress.

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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #147 on: June 08, 2010, 03:38:26 AM »
I don't think anyone actually seemed to make that kind of judgement at the time - the main criteria for a consort were whether she would be healthy and a good wife and mother.  There was no reason at the time to suppose she wouldn't, and indeed in terms of spousal loyalty and motherhood you couldn't fault her.  The views of Alexandra failing to be a 'good empress' were formed by factors which no one could have forseen at the time of her marriage and at the time Ella and Serge may well have thought that the well-connected youngest princess of Hesse Darmstadt, brought up under Queen Victoria's wing, would have made a good Empress of Russia in due course.  And none of the objections Queen Victoria put forward were anything to do with Alexandra's potential as the consort of a future Tsar, but rather to do with concerns for her physical safety and the louche quality of court society. 

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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #148 on: June 08, 2010, 03:56:40 AM »
Strange that neither Ella nor Serge seemed to give much thought as to how Alix would function as an Empress.

Perhaps they quite forgot Nicky wasn’t an ordinary Grand Duke— they just thought about the compatible feelings of Nicky and Alix towards each other, which is enough for a perfect, Heaven-made marriage.
Or possibly, they thought Alix is a suitable Empress — Alix is an intelligent, has sense of duty and charitable lady (but perhaps they didn’t think that Empresses must be so sociable, that’s why they thought with those 2 attributes, Alix could be a suitable Empress).

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Re: Ella and her Siblings
« Reply #149 on: June 08, 2010, 01:00:59 PM »
Alicky wasn't raised to be an empress, but more as a well educated royal lady. None of her sisters sat on thrones, as their mother was only a Grand Ducal consort in the German Federation. It is interesting that Alicky's social skills were never trained. Alicky's cousin Missy (whose mother was a Russian Grand Duchess) was trained as a girl to do the rounds in a room using chairs to substitude people (found in Queen Marie of Romania's memoirs).