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The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« on: May 30, 2005, 02:20:47 PM »
Who were the Oldenburgs who lived in Russia and why?

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2005, 06:32:58 PM »
Oldenburg [ôl'dunboorkh]
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Oldenburg , former state, NW Germany. It is now included in the state of Lower Saxony. The city of Oldenburg was the capital. The former state consisted of three widely separated divisions. The largest of these, Oldenburg proper, now forms the district of Oldenburg, stretching S from the North Sea, W of the Weser River; the two other divisions, both very small, were Birkenfeld and the district (but not the city) of Lübeck. Oldenburg proper is a low-lying, fertile, and marshy land. The history of Oldenburg proper is mainly of dynastic significance. Originally a part of Saxony, the county of Oldenburg came into prominence in the 12th cent., when the counts became princes of the empire. In 1448, Count Christian became king of Denmark as Christian I, while his younger brother, Gerard, and his successors continued to rule Oldenburg. On the extinction (1667) of the German line, Oldenburg passed (1676) to Christian V of Denmark (direct descendant of Christian I). In 1773, Christian VII exchanged Oldenburg for ducal Holstein with Grand Duke (later Emperor) Paul I of Russia. Paul gave Oldenburg to his maternal great uncle, Frederick Augustus of Holstein-Gottorp, bishop of Lübeck, who assumed (1777) the ducal title. Peter I of Oldenburg, nephew and successor of Frederick Augustus, lost the duchy to Napoleon I but recovered Oldenburg and the bishopric of Lübeck in 1813 and subsequently acquired Birkenfeld and obtained the title grand duke. A member of the German Confederation from 1815, Oldenburg sided (1866) with Prussia in the Austro-Prussian War and joined (1871) the German Empire. The last grand duke abdicated in 1918, and Oldenburg joined the Weimar Republic.

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2005, 03:31:17 AM »
Thanks very much Lisa for those informations.

Anyway I am still intersested in the Oldenburgs who lived in Russia, such as Olga Alexandrovna's husband. If I am right he lived in Russia with his mother and they had a palace.

Why did they live there??

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2005, 01:55:09 PM »
First, this is GD Olga Alexandrovna and her husban Peter of Olddenburg.

I post this pic in the GD Olga Alexandrovna Palace topic on the board "Palaces in St. Petersburg"



I believe that the photo one was taken at the time of their marriage in 1901.

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2005, 02:16:25 PM »
Origin of Oldenburg

http://www.ngw.nl/int/dld/oldenbur.htm

The House of Romanov (Рома́нов, pronounced Ro-MAH-nof), the second and last imperial dynasty of Russia, which ruled Muscovy and the Russian Empire for five generations from 1613 to 1762. From 1762 to 1917 Russia was ruled by a branch of the House of Oldenburg, which retained the Romanov surname.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanov_dynasty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Oldenburg

One can find on Internet information enormously. It is enough to seek.

I hope my english translator is good !


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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2005, 02:45:52 PM »
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Thanks very much Lisa for those informations.

Anyway I am still intersested in the Oldenburgs who lived in Russia, such as Olga Alexandrovna's husband. If I am right he lived in Russia with his mother and they had a palace.

Why did they live there??


He lived with his mother and father..there was a large family of the Russian Oldenbourgs. GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna, daughter of Emperor Pavel I, was married 1st to Prince of Oldenburg and their  2 sons were officers on the Russian military service...

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2005, 02:35:11 AM »
hello,
Does anybody know if Prince Peter of Oldenburg (Granduchess Olga's first husband) survived the revolution, and if he did, did he remarry? Any info would be great.

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2005, 04:46:15 AM »
He and his parents survived the Revolution and settled at Biarritz.  He did marry a second time in 1922.  It was an unequal marriage.  

Peter died two years later.

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2006, 02:52:00 PM »
I heard about that there is a paperback of her Biography by Vorres.

Is that true?
So yes, could someone post the ISBN of the paperback?

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2006, 04:06:54 PM »
ISBN 1-55263-302-0;
Key Porter Books (Toronto, Ontario, Canada);
http://www.keyporter.com
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"  -  http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=296&objk_
"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2006, 03:32:26 PM »
Has anyone seen any pictures of Peter or his parents around the time of the revolution?

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2006, 03:19:53 PM »
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I heard about that there is a paperback of her Biography by Vorres.

Is that true?
So yes, could someone post the ISBN of the paperback?


It's terrific that the Vorres book was reissued, but a bummer that there are so many errors in its photo captions! Especially since there are so many of us who would have gladly reviewed them before publication!

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2006, 05:40:30 PM »
Here is a photography of the wedding of Peter of Oldenburg with Madame Olga Serebriakoff née Ratkoff-Rojnoff in the Russian church of Biarritz, May, 11 th 1922.
His parents Eugénie and Alexandre lived permanently in Biarritz. He died in 1924 childless, leaving his parents in despair.


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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2006, 12:36:17 AM »
Thanks for the pic, frimousse! Second wife of Prince Petr looks pretty. :)

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2006, 08:12:39 AM »
Was this the same Madame Serebriakova who In pre WW1 days had been one of the leading hostesses of St Petersburg society?.Was the painter Alexandre Serebriakov her son?