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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2006, 08:20:07 AM »
I had no idea that he married again! I suppose he did so to have a companion after the revolution, perhaps. Wasn't he gay or just bisexual? He certainly failed miserably as a husband to Olga. His parents pushed his first marriage to the Tsar's sister, but when it was unhappy, child less, and ended in divorce, it wasn't so rosy. And then he marries again to someone below his rank, and dies childless? One can see why his parents were in despair.

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2006, 07:40:15 PM »
Even on his wedding day, he looks sad... :-/

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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2006, 10:34:16 AM »
He seems not have had a very happy life. But he wasn't the best husband to Grand Duchess Olga, saying they had to stay in the marriage for the sake of propriety for a certain number of years before they could divorce. Perhaps he was a conflicted man. I wonder what his second wife thought of him?

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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2010, 03:21:00 PM »
I just love the fact that it was Napoleon's annexation of the Holstein-Gottorp-Romanovs' ancestral land, the Duchy of Oldenburg in 1810, belonging to the father-in-law of Grand Duchess Ekaterina Pavlovna, that prompted the diplomatic note of protest from Alexander I, famous from "War and Pace", which many see as the beginning of the detoriation of the French-Russian relationship that culminated in Napoleon's Russian Campaign.

(BTW Knowing that Katherine the Great's German inheritance Jever next to Oldenburg was a Russian exclave at the time you would imagine that Alexander I would have been more concerned about Napoleon annexation's of that territory, but in fact he had ceded it to the Napoleonic Kingdom of Holland in the Treaty of Tilsit in 1807. It did become Russian again in 1813, but was finally ceded to Oldenburg in 1818. The neighbouring fief of Kniephausen, now that was quite another and more complicated matter (Bentinck Succession Dispute) before it could be incorporated by Oldenburg...)
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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2010, 05:11:49 AM »
Seems the topic is more focused on Prince Petr of Oldenburg, 1st husband of GDss Olga Alexandrovna.

But he was not the only one Russian Oldenburg.

Here are more of them.

Only survived son of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna, Duke Petr of Oldenburg (he was created Duke by his Uncle Emperor Nicholas I). He was a talented man and famous charity-provider. Also he was known among the Romanovs as a poet, but not that one like famous KR would be. Rather an ordinary poet ; )



His wife Duchess Theresia,nee Princess of Nassau.





She was a supporter of her husband in charity affairs,they said she was good, kind but very acid at the same time.

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2010, 05:15:33 AM »
Daughters of Duke Petr Georgievitch

Ekaterina and Theresa. Ekaterina was once a flirt of GD Nicholas, eldest son of Emperor Alexander II. Empress Maria Alexandrovna quickly forbade any effort of romance between two young people.



Ekaterina is the eldest in the photo, she died of tuberculouis. I had posted this picture before at the topic about GD Nicholas I think.
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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2010, 05:17:53 AM »
Theresa of Oldenburg, as a young girl in 1868. She was 1st wife of Duke  Georgiy of Leuchtenberg.


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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2010, 05:20:14 AM »
And some images of Duchess Eugenia Maximilianovna, spouse of Duke Alexander Petrovitch and thus mother-in-law of GDss Olga A.







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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2010, 02:09:50 PM »
Ekaterina was once a flirt of GD Nicholas, eldest son of Emperor Alexander II. Empress Maria Alexandrovna quickly forbade any effort of romance between two young people.

Why was the match forbidden?Because she was a sickly child or because maybe he was a sickly child?Or something else?
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2010, 04:32:11 PM »
Thank you Svetabel for posting so many wonderful pictures. Much appreciated!

It's interesting that so many members of the German branches of the IF married morganatic spouses. Of Duke Peter of Oldenburgs sons, only Alexander made an equal marriage.

Nicholai Petrovich of Oldenburg (1840-1886), oldest son of Duke Peter, with his wife. The marriage was not popular in the family.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/OldenburgNicolai.jpg

Konstantin Petrovich of Oldenburg (1850-1906), youngest son of Duke Peter.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/OldenburgConstantin.jpg

His wife, Agrippina Konstantinovna, created Countess Zarnekau (1855-1927)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/ZarnAgrip.jpg

Was their son Alexei killed by the bolsheviks because he was related to the Romanovs, or because he was nobility?

And Eugenia Maximilianovna. 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/LeichtenbergEugenie.jpg

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2010, 11:39:55 PM »
Ekaterina was once a flirt of GD Nicholas, eldest son of Emperor Alexander II. Empress Maria Alexandrovna quickly forbade any effort of romance between two young people.

Why was the match forbidden?Because she was a sickly child or because maybe he was a sickly child?Or something else?

Maria Alexandrovna didn't consider an Oldenburg girl a proper marriage for the Heir of the Throne. Of course Ekaterina lived all her life in Russia (though being a Lutheran) and was more or less known in the Imperial Family but she was not a politically interesting alliance in the case of Nicholas.
And yes, she was sickly as all her siblings actually except probably GDss Alexandra Petrovna. By the way the image of Alexandra Petrovna and her ways didn't add any charm to the Oldenburg brood of girls either.

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2010, 11:46:35 PM »
Thank you Svetabel for posting so many wonderful pictures. Much appreciated!

It's interesting that so many members of the German branches of the IF married morganatic spouses. Of Duke Peter of Oldenburgs sons, only Alexander made an equal marriage.


Was their son Alexei killed by the bolsheviks because he was related to the Romanovs, or because he was nobility?



Yes, the Russian Oldenburgs as well as their relatives Leuchtenbergs were the champions in morganatic marriages :  ).

I don't know details about Count Alexei's death, he was killed in 1918 in Petrograd,possibly just in the street.

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2010, 07:39:16 AM »
Yes, I wonder why they hardly ever married European Royalty. They just seemed to marry within Russia, either the main IF, each other or morganatic, and that goes for all three branches. The few who did marry outside Russia were Maria Maximilianovna, George Maximilianovich in his second marriage to Anastasia of Montenegro, and Elena of Mecklenburg-Strelitz.

Does anyone have a picture of the Oldenburg Palace in St. Petersburg?

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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2010, 02:20:35 AM »
I've been trying to get an idea about which Oldenburgs were Imperial Highnesses and which weren't. Unlike in the Leuchtenberg clan, were all dynasts became HIH until the 1886 ukaz, the Oldenburg HIH seems to have been rarer and bestowed more ad personam. Did that make the Oldenburgs jealous of the Leuchtenbergs?

As far as I can see:
1. generation: Duke Georg of Oldenburg became HIH when he married HIH Grand Duchess Ekaterina Pavlovna in 1809.
2. generation: Prince Peter Georgevich was by birth a mere HSH and only became HIH in 1845. I guess his wife Theresa of Nassau shared his HIH?
3. generation: Their children were by birth mere Serene Highnesses, but became (Grand-Ducal?) Highnesses by the order of the Grand Duke of Oldenburg in 1855.
                       Alexandra and Theresa married Imperial Highnesses, but of the boys only Prince Alexander Petrovich became HIH in 1914 (because of his service to the
                       Emperor, and his son's marriage?). His wife, Eugenia of Leuchtenberg, Princess Romanovskaya, was already HIH.
4. generation: Is it true that Prince Peter Alexandrovich didn't become HIH upon his marriage to HIH Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, but remained a (Grand-Ducal?) Highness?
                       Of course none of his morganatic cousins were dynasts, but were the Counts and Countesses Osternburg and Zarnekau styled Сиятельство, just like
                       Russian Counts, even though they were created by the Grand Duke of Oldenburg? (And thus probably actually held the lesser style of Hochgeboren,
                       высокородие, like all non-mediatized German Counts.)
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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2010, 09:12:16 AM »
I think Prince Peter of Oldenburg was a very unhappy man by the looks of it. He was gay and not very attractive. I cannot understand why he married again, why make the same mistake for a second time ? I imagine that he married Olga for her money only.