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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2010, 05:08:36 PM »
I think Prince Peter of Oldenburg was a very unhappy man by the looks of it. He was gay and not very attractive. I cannot understand why he married again, why make the same mistake for a second time ? I imagine that he married Olga for her money only.

That may be, but I don't think that much has been written about Duke Peter, besides the above mentioned and his bad marriage to GDss Olga. And I don't think he married Olga for money.
His relative, Prince Roman Petrovich remembered him fondly, stating that he had a hart of gold, and a genuine compassion foor other peoples misfortunes. His liberal views caused him to have many a loud discussions with his father, Alexander of Oldenburg.

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2010, 09:39:12 AM »
One more photo of Agrippina,Countess von Zarnekau,nee Japaridze





And some more info I found about Japaridze family...it seems they were nobles and even Princes in Kigdom of Imereti:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japaridze_%28noble_family%29

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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2010, 02:03:40 AM »
More of Princess Ekaterina of Oldenburg




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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2010, 08:33:57 AM »
Nice to hear that somebody remembered Peter of Oldenburg fondly. Maybe he just married the wrong woman.

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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2010, 07:57:40 AM »
Nice to hear that somebody remembered Peter of Oldenburg fondly. Maybe he just married the wrong woman.

Ann

Famous Russian writer Ivan Bounin also mentioned Prince Petr very favourably and wrote an article about him after the Prince's death. Bounin found the Prince very shy, mild and discreet person who made verses and wrote sketches about the peasant life.

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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2010, 09:28:25 AM »
Something from the blog I found on the web about he possible marriage between Ekaterina and Nicholas and is told by her friend Count Sheremetev...he says:

"And suddenly, all hopes were dashed. Sheremetev remembers as a close friend: "I come once to the house of Ekaterina Petrovna and heard:"It's over! "- she says ... That's what it turned out: talks about her marriage with cesarevitch lasted long; Maria had a sympathy for this union, but with a precondition, that Ekaterina Petrovna should have her preliminary education. Had in mind primarily the transition to Orthodoxy. Her mother immediately replied and categorically refused. But it was only a pretext, the real reason for the refusal was in the complex relationships between Maria Alexandrovna and Teresa, both disliked each other, felt that their role was played by "old Nassau-Darmstadt account ", to the fact that staid and restrained Empress was irritated by the ecstatic behavior of the Oldenburgs."

Obviously those two women never liked each other because of this,so,does anyone know what was "old Nassau-Darmstadt account "?
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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2010, 02:20:15 PM »
Something from the blog I found on the web about he possible marriage between Ekaterina and Nicholas and is told by her friend Count Sheremetev...he says:

"And suddenly, all hopes were dashed. Sheremetev remembers as a close friend: "I come once to the house of Ekaterina Petrovna and heard:"It's over! "- she says ... That's what it turned out: talks about her marriage with cesarevitch lasted long; Maria had a sympathy for this union, but with a precondition, that Ekaterina Petrovna should have her preliminary education. Had in mind primarily the transition to Orthodoxy. Her mother immediately replied and categorically refused. But it was only a pretext, the real reason for the refusal was in the complex relationships between Maria Alexandrovna and Teresa, both disliked each other, felt that their role was played by "old Nassau-Darmstadt account ", to the fact that staid and restrained Empress was irritated by the ecstatic behavior of the Oldenburgs."

Obviously those two women never liked each other because of this,so,does anyone know what was "old Nassau-Darmstadt account "?

Princess Teresa was quite a character they said. Witty, sharp and acid very often. So she obviously could not get along well with the Empress.

Nassau-Darmstadt account was possibly an old territorial quarrel as the Duchies were close to each other in the map.

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« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2010, 07:23:17 AM »
Very interesting how often persons from another branches opposed the reigning Empress...Maria Pavlovna first comes to my mind and now I hear about Theresa von Oldenburg.

It seems she was so stubborn and proud and didn't let another daughter to change faith in order to marry into Imperial family...she in fact did let Alexandra do it,but she did not marry Marie's son and when it comes to Ekaterina who wanted to marry son of the Empress she did not get along,she refused and rushed her Protestant confirmation...

In the blog I have read,it also says that Ekaterina had lively nature before she fell ill...it is said that she did not get along with her sister Alexandra and that one of the reasons,except being of different character,was that she used to dance quite a lot with her husband Grand Duke Nicholas in balls given in the Palace Znamenka...The Empress Marie also commented that she doesn't approve "people who flirt in balls" thinking of Ekaterina!
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« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2011, 08:24:56 PM »
Obviously those two women never liked each other because of this,so,does anyone know what was "old Nassau-Darmstadt account "?
Nassau-Darmstadt account was possibly an old territorial quarrel as the Duchies were close to each other in the map.

Indeed, the Houses of Hesse and Nassau had been opposed to each other ever since the dispute about the succession to the rich Counts of Katzenelnbogen, who went extinct in the male line in 1479. Hesse succeeded: Most of the Landgraviate of Hesse-Darmstadt was actually made up of Katzenelnbogen territory. This was mainly because Langrave Heinrich III of Hesse was the son-in-law of the last Count of Katzenelnbogen, but interestingly that line went extinct in the male line too. The collateral Hessian relatives managed to secure Katzenelnbogen for Hesse, but all the cognatic descendants of the last Count of Katzenelnbogen did actually marry into the Houses of Nassau (grandmother of Willem the Silent), Cleves (grandmother of Anne of Cleves) and Baden. That is perhaps the explanation why the Landgraves of Hesse-Darmstadt were so anxious to marry princesses of Baden, while I can't find any marriage to a Nassauer after the Katzenelnbogen dispute! Hesse-Cassel did have a few marriages with Nassau, probably because of the common religious denomination (Calvinism).

I don't know if this territorial dispute, which clearly restricted the spread of Nassau influence east of the Rhine and perhaps is one reason why they decided to "go west", still created animosity centuries afterwards, but clearly there were afterwards no direct Nassau-Hesse-Darmstadt family links that could bring on a reconciliation!

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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2012, 02:02:12 PM »
Do we know if Peter of Oldenburgh fought in WWI?
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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2012, 03:24:59 PM »
Do we know if Peter of Oldenburgh fought in WWI?

He served at Stavka,in the headquarter of the Top Command.

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« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2012, 12:34:31 AM »
Nice to hear that somebody remembered Peter of Oldenburg fondly. Maybe he just married the wrong woman.

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The Emperor was quite fond of "Petya" and he seems to have been well liked among the Imperial Family in general. Little is known of Peter's late second marriage, but according to Olga Alexandrovna, she and her 1st husband never had sex. Assuming that OA was being truthful, Peter could have been gay, bisexual, or impotent, or simply uninterested in having sex with his first wife.

But none of that would have necessarily made him less warm hearted or caring. Or necessarily Olga A "the wrong woman".

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #42 on: October 02, 2012, 07:34:15 PM »
Are there more photos of Catherine Petrovna Oldenburg (1846-1866), Nixa's 1st love? I am curious on her, she supposedly died of tuberculosis (and depression) after Nixa's death in 1865.

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Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2012, 12:43:27 AM »
Are there more photos of Catherine Petrovna Oldenburg (1846-1866), Nixa's 1st love? I am curious on her, she supposedly died of tuberculosis (and depression) after Nixa's death in 1865.

The only photos of her are in this topic. She was not Nixa's love, only a flirt. And she did die of tuberculosis, why supposedly?

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« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2012, 06:29:38 PM »
Are there more photos of Catherine Petrovna Oldenburg (1846-1866), Nixa's 1st love? I am curious on her, she supposedly died of tuberculosis (and depression) after Nixa's death in 1865.

The only photos of her are in this topic. She was not Nixa's love, only a flirt. And she did die of tuberculosis, why supposedly?

Only a flirt? Hum. I wasn't sure she died of tuberculosis, actually I never heard much of her. I read a blog (someone quoted above I guess) who had some information on her but only this.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Catherine_of_Oldenburg_by_Hau.JPG?uselang=ru

She was about 7. Very beautiful little girl, with dark hair- and such violet eyes!