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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2011, 09:17:16 AM »
Joanna,
Any chance of doing a translation of Volume II like we did for Volume 1?  It certainly was appreciated by most here.

I didn't even know there was a Volume II!

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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2011, 05:50:41 PM »
pastpalacelife, my computer crashed last July, lost all but what I had printed and now recreate files. Can you IM with your email and I can send a scan of #51.

Bob, I work on Piotrovskii Winter Palace room translations. Although I type as fast in Russian as English/French, I forgot last months of Yakovlev with  everything else happening. Maybe I can translate a room a day!

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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2011, 01:27:28 PM »
Joanna,
If we can help with the translations, Let us know.  I'm sure others would be glad to help as they did on  the original.  I think everyone appreciated how much we learned from them.  The right wing has always been a mystery and would be wonderful to learn more about it.
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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2011, 12:18:42 AM »
Bob, Yakovlev wrote 3 books about the palace:
 1 book. 1927. History of construction of the palace. Kuchumov wrote in a letter Zelenova that only in this book will have to restore the palace. Because there is a very detailed written. In the book of little pictures.
 2 book. Opisanie. 1928. rooms and plans.
 3 book. 1926. Protecting the palace and park.
 It's called "Protection of the royal residence" of the Can send scan

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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2011, 08:32:59 AM »
Do we know if the IF ever went over to the right wing of the Palace ? I expect that guests staying there would have to schlepp to the Imperial wing, for whatever reason, meals etc. It must have been very inconvenient to supply this side of the Palace with hot food, along the tunnel, up into the Palace and then through all the Parade rooms to the other side. They must have had their own kitchen somewhere. Does anyone know if they did ? I cant spot it on the floorplan.     

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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2011, 09:39:31 AM »
Pavlov,
Room 96 in the right wing of the basement plan was translated from Yakolef's book as:
 (37) Gofmarshall's kitchen with a marble bowl (which previously were used everywhere, but were replaced as they were too deep and hard to clean), the hearth, the pastry oven, the oven for baking Shrovetide pancakes and skewers for grilled shish kebabs." 

I'm not sure if this served the whole wing or not.  It may be that food was transported to this wing in carts or later trucks from the kitchen building and that the tunnel was used primarily for the IF and formal meals served in the parade rooms.

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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2011, 09:50:50 AM »
Вы будете очень удивлены, но Императорская Семья очень редко кушала ГОРЯЧУЮ еду.Всегда по русской традиции кухню строили отдельно от дворца. Баня тоже была отдельно. В Екатерининском парке есть такие павильоны. Императорская Семья до строительства тоннеля использовала "мармиты" для теплой еды. И только на "Штандарте" ООНИ кушали горячую еду, потому что еду давали сразу после приготовления и кухня была близко. В 1-м подъезде Александровского дворца был буфет(№ 58) и стоял огромный самовар с горячей водой для чая(№61).


You'll be very surprised, but the Imperial Family is very rarely ate HOT edu.Vsegda on Russian tradition kitchen built separately from the palace. Bath was also separately. At St. Catherine's Park, there are pavilions. The Imperial Family to the construction of a tunnel used "steam tables" for a warm meal. And only the "Standard" OONI ate a hot meal because food was given immediately after cooking and the kitchen was close. In the 1 st entrance of the Alexander Palace was a buffet (№ 58) and was a huge samovar with hot water for tea (№ 61).


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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2011, 11:03:22 AM »
  Attention:  "lilianna" and your Reply  # 21 :  Your mention of the samovar at the Alexander Palace caught my eye.  May I quote from King and Wilson's most recent book, "The Resurrection of the Romanovs,"  the chapter "A Tale of Two Books,"  page 197:   " It was Aucleres, too, who tried to take Gilliard to task over the issue of a samovar. "The park at home (Anna) Anderson  said, "was so beautiful: it was like a forest. When it rained and the weather was bad, I liked the chimney corner, the samovar on the table, and drinking tea with good things to eat."  This Gilliard attacked as "all very poetical" but untrue, writing that NO SAMOVAR WAS EVER USED IN THE ALEXANDER PALACE (Emphasis mine - AP).  "It might seem curious, but it is nontheless true," he said.  Aucleres found a photograph showing a samovar in use at MOGILEV (emphasis mine -- AP) when Nicholas II lived there during the First  World War, proof --- or so the theory ran --- that Gilliard had lied.  Yet Anderson hadn't been discussing Mogilev at all, but TSARSKOE SELO (emphasis mine -- AP), a point that seems to have escaped the notice of the French journalist."
   Perhaps your reference as to "1st entrance of the Alexander Palace", "lilianna," is to a samovar that was not within the exclusive perimeter of the Imperial "dwelling" side of the Palace?  I, personally, DO find it a bit odd that there was not a samovar at all within the confines of the (entire) palace.    Regards,  AP.
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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2011, 11:14:05 AM »
The book Yakovlev is a description of all rooms.
 We, in Russia, there are many books about the Romanov family and I go to museums a lot and read a different recollection. If you need a reference to thethe book where I read it ,I can give the link . The book is in Russian. I know that the Empress had a schedule of each evening meal on buduyuschy day and could choose a meal for the family. She was the mother.

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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2011, 11:17:19 AM »
Thanks for your comments.  Unfortunately, your first paragraph in Post 21 came through in meaningless print, thus I cannot cross-reference.  Have you had an opportunity to read the King-Wilson book yet?  Unfortunately, it is probably in English only at this time.  Regards,  AP.
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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2011, 01:15:36 PM »
I read memories. Gilliard, Volkov, Taneyev, Benkendorf ,Lily Den ... Recently, a lot of open archives and historians write books that I read. Easy for me because I read in their native language. Do you read books in English, but the authors do not work in archives in Russia. I'm often going to Tsarskoe Selo and listen to older people. They know a lot.
For example, on the contrary Wing of Alexander Palace Nazis murdered the inhabitants of the city. There is a lot of people. Now a lot of books, memories town of Pushkin.

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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2011, 03:20:27 PM »
I see. How interesting.  Thank you again for your comments.  Regards,   AP.

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Re: Right Wing of Alexander Palace
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2016, 05:35:20 PM »
"Cabinet of Rain" - the shower in the rooms of Nicholas I and his sons Nikolai and Mikhail:

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2016/07/cabinet-of-rain-shower_2.html

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