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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #120 on: October 15, 2010, 06:15:00 AM »
Thanks Eric - I do remember reading something about that now.

Yes, the diaries of 1914-1923in Russian. Great source of info.


Svetabel - Were the diaries published in book form or are they online somewhere? If so, I wonder if you would mind posting the link to them. Does anyone know if any of her earlier diaries are published particularly from 1890's?  :)


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« Reply #121 on: October 15, 2010, 11:07:54 AM »
Indeed. Not to add Anna Anderson to the list.

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« Reply #122 on: October 15, 2010, 03:25:45 PM »
Didn't Marie in the end reject her claim she was Anastasia?
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« Reply #123 on: October 15, 2010, 06:02:28 PM »
I don't think she knew her. Olga went to see Anna and pronounced her false and that was the end as far as Minny went.

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« Reply #124 on: October 16, 2010, 04:41:02 PM »
Wasn't Marie the one that sent Olga to verify or reject AA's claim?
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« Reply #125 on: October 16, 2010, 05:17:40 PM »
Yes, TimM, was Marie who sent Olga. The dowager accepted her report and, as has been said that was the end of the matter, as far as she was concerned.
 BTW, The Dowager was NOT the head of the family. By dynastic law that position belonged to  Kiril Not everyone liked him,  but that was the law.This not to say that Marie was not influential, and she had a tremendous amount of respect, but she was not part of the dynastic succession.
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« Reply #126 on: October 16, 2010, 06:38:01 PM »
Well, after the revolution, who was the next successor to the throne became kind of a moot point.
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« Reply #127 on: October 19, 2010, 06:05:05 PM »
Yes...But Kyril was not crowned nor was the death of Nicholas or Misha proven yet. His actions were not appreciated especially not Minny.

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« Reply #128 on: October 19, 2010, 08:46:24 PM »
Tim, it was a rather moot point, was it not ? As Nicholas had abdicated and Michael had declined, the next in line was indeed Kyril. First as head of the house,  he did not need to be proclaimed that, as it was in the dynastic law. Then as "Curator of the Throne" in 1922. He did not proclaim himself  Emperor until 1924. By then it was pretty useless to imagine a  return- by anyone.
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« Reply #129 on: October 19, 2010, 11:26:12 PM »
That's what I meant.  Kind of pointless going around calling yourself Emperor when you have no Empire.
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« Reply #130 on: October 20, 2010, 04:53:39 AM »
That's what I meant.  Kind of pointless going around calling yourself Emperor when you have no Empire.

Precisely TimM!

No matter how hard Kirill and his followers attempted to convey that pretense while they were all living permanently abroad.


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« Reply #131 on: October 20, 2010, 05:05:00 AM »
Tim, it was a rather moot point, was it not ? As Nicholas had abdicated and Michael had declined, the next in line was indeed Kyril. First as head of the house,  he did not need to be proclaimed that, as it was in the dynastic law. 

It became irrelevant as to who might or might not have been next in line after Mikhail stepped aside.

All Imperial Laws were extinguished the moment Mikhail aceeded to the Provisional Government.


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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #132 on: October 20, 2010, 05:38:09 AM »
Please, back to topic.

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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #133 on: October 20, 2010, 10:50:42 AM »
Sorry about that Svetlana (did I spell that right). 

This happens a lot around here.
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« Reply #134 on: October 20, 2010, 02:50:11 PM »
Kind of pointless going around calling yourself Emperor when you have no Empire.

OK, back to MF: Both MF's father, brother, husband and son called themselves Duke of Schleswig-Holstein when in fact none of them ruled S-H! :-)
Titulatory pretence is such an integrated part of nobility and royalty. E.g. none of all the princes, counts and barons of the Russian Empire actually had a principality, county or barony. (Yea, they had huge estates, but these estates were not formally counties and baronies, like in MF's native Denmark.)
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