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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #135 on: October 22, 2010, 04:57:54 PM »
Dagmar was of course understood the family law, but with Kyrill siding openly with the Provisional Government, little wonder they called him the Duke of Orleans of the Romanov Family. His betrayal of the Imperial Family was never forgiven by some family members.

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« Reply #136 on: October 22, 2010, 05:16:17 PM »
Nicholas II himself ORDERED the support of the Provisional Government. Kyril was simply follownig  Nicholas' instruction.
  The main thing was to restore order in the capitol. Obviously, it did not work.
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« Reply #137 on: October 22, 2010, 05:23:38 PM »
I don't think Nicholas II ordered Kyrill to do what he did. Kyrill did it himself. Which is why Nicholasha was always much more popular than Kyrill among those who were loyal to the Dynasty. Even Grand Duke Dimitri at one point think he had a stake on the throne since he was more popular than Kyrill. Kyrill did not became the universal leader until after the deaths of Minny & Nicholasha.

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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #138 on: October 22, 2010, 09:59:42 PM »
Back to topic. It's on your personal opinion on the Empress.

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« Reply #139 on: October 23, 2010, 12:10:51 PM »
Yes. I think Minny was generally a kind person who could be bossy. It was unfortunate that Alicky was tough and proud too. They clash with each other instead of working togather for the best of the dynasty & Nicky. Had they been able to work pass their differences, the sad fate could have been somewhat avoided.

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« Reply #140 on: January 04, 2011, 01:21:05 PM »
I have recently read "Little mother of Russia" and what comes to mind is: How could anyone survive so much personal drama!! Losing so many loved ones. Today it would destroy everybody. But in those times I guess people were much tougher.

Concerning the battle of jealousy between Dagmar and Alix: I think both women were doing the other unjust. It would have helped them both if they took the time to step back a little while and they could have realized that in fact they have exactly the same goals: preserving the dynasty. Both on their own way.


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« Reply #141 on: January 04, 2011, 01:37:22 PM »
I think Dagmar did amuch better job than Alicky did. She was too stubborn and sometimes did not listen to anyone. I also think her many illnesses and neverous behavior needed to be treated.

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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #142 on: May 09, 2013, 05:23:55 PM »
The funny thing about Minnie with me is that while I love her and look up to her as an empress, a wife and a mother (not to mention I love her style and beauty) I would probably detest her if I knew her personally. I am very stubborn, like she seemed to be and I think that would cause many fights between us. Strong personalities can either make for kindred spirits or arch rivals. I wonder if that was part of what it was for her and Alix in the end. Alix had a different idea on how they should be the Tsarina, or be a wife or a mother. While Alix definitely did right by her children and (with the exception of her awful advice) was a loving wife, she was a terrible empress. I think what sets them a part in the end is that Minnie was loved (I believe) by the people during her husband's reign. It's interesting to wonder who would be remembered more today if the revolution hadn't happened. Alix or Minnie?
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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #143 on: May 09, 2013, 05:45:47 PM »
I found Minnie to be a fairly good Empress, she did her job as Empress and got on with it, you know. She also lost all of her sons and her husband too, all in a very small space of time, you know, over the space of just over 20 years, must have been tragic for her definitely.

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« Reply #144 on: May 09, 2013, 07:38:07 PM »
I think both were bossy women and did not want to play second fiddle to the other. Had Alexander lll lived longer,  tension may have been avoided. Nicky was torn between his newly widowed mother and young wife.

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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #145 on: May 10, 2013, 12:37:11 AM »
That describes it rather well I think. Minnie probably didn't feel that her time in the sun was quite over with yet and I can't really blame her. It was a sudden death and she had, what? Three years as Tsarina? And then of course all that sadness followed her throughout her life. I always feel so bad for her.
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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #146 on: May 10, 2013, 08:58:12 AM »
That describes it rather well I think. Minnie probably didn't feel that her time in the sun was quite over with yet and I can't really blame her. It was a sudden death and she had, what? Three years as Tsarina? And then of course all that sadness followed her throughout her life. I always feel so bad for her.

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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #147 on: May 10, 2013, 11:20:12 AM »
Misread  :-[ Thank you.
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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #148 on: May 10, 2013, 11:38:19 AM »
Indeed. Minny wasn't too considerate and thought she could lead or teach Alicky into the role, but Alicky was too sensitive, shy and proud to be taught.

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Re: Marie Feodorovna -  Your Opinion
« Reply #149 on: June 02, 2015, 03:56:05 PM »
My comments on Maria F. She may have been a good consort to a Tsar like Alexander III. Liked clothes jewels parties, balls, dancing, and being very likeable. However the woman was very ill educated and some of things she did helped cause the destruction of the Russian monarchy. As head of the Russian Red Cross the organization had a bad corruption scandal during the Russo-Japanese War. This hurt the rest of the Imperial family badly add this to the other corruption scandals, the military defeats, Bloody Sunday ect helped trigger the 1905 revolution. This is from the book "Tide at Sunrise":
 "A visitor to Moscow was taken by his driver to look at the spot where Grand Duke Serge had been killed. Pointing to the place, the driver said: "Look,  that's where the dog was blown to pieces. A fine sight it was. And all they found of him was a few fingers. Where do you think they found those? In the Red Cross box. They were accustomed to be in that box. He had four hundred million roubles when he died, and he stole it from the poor soldiers in Manchuria."
Note the book "Romanov Autumn" points out in real life Serge A was a corruption fighter. So her actions helped smear him.

She had a history of ignoring corrupt practices of people in her entourage. Maria F also was a investor in the Lena Goldfields mining operation where the 1912 massacre took place.

Her relations with Alexandra were bad from day one. Her refusal to let Nicholas marry her at first. Disputes over precedence and jewelry. Then there are the "Style Wars". Instead of introducing her to Russian society she helped estrange Alexandra to it.

Maria F also couldn't understand that Nicholas and Alexandra were too exhausted it part do to the hemophiliac Alexei to put on balls and parties for her social set. She also ignored Nicholas also had a mountain of paperwork to do every day and Alexandra had some serious health problems.

Then after Nicholas decides to take command of the army she gets upset that the grand Duke Nicholas was relieved of command and turns her and Maria Ps gossip machines loose on Alexandra and Rasputin.  In order to get rid of them. This was one of the straws that broke the camels back which helped destroy the Russian Monarchy and put her out of a job. She was in away the matriarch of the family. If she had decided to support Nicholas and Alexandra as well as doing damage control on Rasputin there is a chance that the monarchy could have survived.

Her efforts as a matchmaker proved less than successful she got her daughter Olga A a husband  who turned out to be a disaster. Her inability to find Michael A a wife resulted in him marrying a commoner.

Then there is prince Grigory Shervashidze, the chancellor to her court. he was in league with the revolutionaries.