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Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2005, 02:57:45 PM »
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Poor George! He looks scared! ...And he had every right to be.  :-/


Well, he proposed, married her and stayed that way for 14 years because *he* wanted to do so, nobody forced him...
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« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2005, 04:25:40 PM »
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Well, he proposed, married her and stayed that way for 14 years because *he* wanted to do so, nobody forced him...



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Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2005, 02:12:15 AM »
there is a new book in england titled Micheal of romania which i saw recently

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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2005, 04:40:37 AM »
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there is a new book in england titled Micheal of romania which i saw recently


Yes, I saw that too! It looked to me more like a political biography though.  :(

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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2005, 08:35:53 AM »
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Yes, I saw that too! It looked to me more like a political biography though.  :(


Ivor POrter, who met the king in Romania in the 1940s, deals more with the politics and Michael's role as king ... there is a lot less information on his later life and his family life.
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Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2005, 09:36:17 AM »
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How is the book called? I can't find it in English!


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Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2005, 04:58:06 PM »
I remember reading in a Romanian website about the royal family that, when the news of King George II of Greece's death arrived, Elizabeth said something like "Oh! The love of my life is dead!"(I'm not quoting). Her brother Nicholas also said something like "My sister is crazy, she divorced him and now she's weeping for him".

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« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2005, 06:45:53 PM »
As they say, you never know what you've got, til it's gone.  :'(

As maddening as it must have been for him to live with her...there are two sides to every story. I wonder what he was like to live with. Any stories about his character?
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Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2006, 04:16:35 AM »
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Nice photos! She did look lovely and innocent when young. But her character was defintely not to be desired, and it sounds like she didn't live up to her heiritage very well. So one of KR's sons wanted to marry her? That is interesting. What was her attitude towards that? She seems like she probably didn't care for anyone except herself.


she most certainly didn't LOL
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Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2006, 08:47:32 AM »
It is kind of sad, but nothing can really make her sound appealing, nor was she. Her later life sounds like it was a sordid mess. I think she would have been a trial to anyone who married her. I guess she and KR's son, a prince of russia, never met. He was murdered in the revolution, but the talk of marriage had been mostly dynastic. It's lucky for him that he never married her.

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« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2006, 12:28:25 PM »
in the end she regreted not having murdered...she was a ***** :P :P

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« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2006, 08:57:23 AM »
Yes, she was pretty bad. I don't think there's many good things you can say about her, which is sad. Perhaps if Missy had been allowed to have more of a role in raising her, she might not have turned out so bad. The Roumanian King and his consort Carmen Sylva as she was known, were damaging. But perhaps Elisabeth would have turned out badly amyway.

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« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2006, 09:54:07 AM »
Could you explain more - what actually happened?  Was Elizaveta mainly brought up by Carol 1st and Carmen Sylva?  Or did they insist that she have nannies thus depriving her parents of enough involvement in her upbringing? Thanks :)
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Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2006, 03:54:38 PM »
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Could you explain more - what actually happened?  Was Elizaveta mainly brought up by Carol 1st and Carmen Sylva?  Or did they insist that she have nannies thus depriving her parents of enough involvement in her upbringing? Thanks :)


carol insisted that every nanny/tutor/governess be named by political criteria. things like, what king they had raised, nationality, etc...

and here i bring out my pakula book again ;):

about carol's birth (just to set the atmosphere): 'in king carol's opinion, every situation, of great or little importance, had to be subjected to a thorough analysis as far as the political implications went. the birth of a future heir was doubtless, not a minor event. it needed an endless chain of decisions, starting with the establishment of the place, "doctors, nannies, dates, names, hours of day and even rooms." the king examined each and every one of them, balancing the pro and against arguments and their effects on the nation. everything was filled with bad predictions. everywhere there were traps for the ignorants.'

the birth of princess elizabeth happened after queen elizabeth had come back from her exile in neuwied: 'freshly arrived at the palace, she started claiming her position as a mistress - something that included the "dethronement: of her successor. the queen considered herself an authority in children and nannies. "everyone thinks they have the right to meddle in my business and sometimes they're really annoying me", wrote marie to her father in law. [...] the princess had a dispute with the queen, irritated when elizabeth told her that her children don't belong to their mother, but to the king and to romania.'

'even if for different reasons, the three women [queen elizabeth, cousin charly and queen elizabeth's lady in waiting, olga mavrogheni] agreed on two things: marie was "too english" and "too frivolous". they called her "the young frivolous woman", feeling worried that she might have ambitions of personal glamour. cousin charly and mrs. mavrogheni firmly supported the queen in her intrigues to control the educations of prince carol and princess elizabeth. [...] for a woman who had so passionatly wanted children, the presence of marie's children was an irresitible temptation.  [...] invited to spend christmes in cotroceni [the residence of ferdinand and marie], the queen found little carol and elizabeth plauying around the tree: "good lord" she exclaimed seeing marie's children, "do not forget me... you cannot. this is more than i can bare."'

'queen elizabeth was willing to find a reason to take missy's children. up until the winter of 1898, the queen managed to convince the king that the princess was irresponisble and that he had to hire a governess for carol. her choice had stopped on miss winter, a good friend of the wied family which had been hired by elizabeth's cousin, the queen of holland. marie, who suspected a plot, agreed to talk to the governess, but only with the condition that, had she not liked her, she wouldn't be forced to accept her.

"...ever since i saw her, i lost all hope... the woman was unbareable: heavy, with wide eyes, a huge nose and a revolting mouth; she was vulgar, so vulgar that only someone of her nationality could tell. and besides, her voice,  her ordinary talk, her mediocre language, unrefined... her looks were shocking, her speaking only made it worse..."

the princess said that she cannot accept this woman as her son's governess, but the prince would not face the king and queen. marie was forced to give in, but with the "express condition" that miss winter comes only in the spring of 1899. suddenly, in january, as she was preparing for a trip to gotha on the occasion of her parents' silver wedding, she was told that that night miss winter was arriving to take care of her children while she was gone.

marie asked to be allowed to take her children with her. "in these conditions, i could not agree to leave my children there..." she explained in a letter to her father in law. "i was against the idea of governess as a principle... and, besides, i believed miss winter could be manipulated by aunty... i am sure that this is not our last conflict."'

'[nando and missy went to coburg], nando came back and missy stayed in germany. she was still there when their son carol caught typhoid fever. ferdinand sent her an urgent telegram and she hurried home. when she arrived to cotroceni, she ran up the stairs, but miss winter stopped her, barring her way. "it's dangerous for anyone to step in the baby's room", she announced. "the doctor said...." for the first time in his life, the prince interfeared for his wife: "step aside" he said to the governess. "the princess is the child's mother."'

missy went back to coburg in a conflict that is quoted in the missy and boris thread. she only came back when miss winter was fired.



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Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2006, 05:55:45 AM »
that is very interesting trentk, thank you! could it be that she was human after all?  ;D
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