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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #150 on: July 21, 2009, 02:16:41 AM »
Does anyone know where Elias de Bourbon-Parme is buried?  I heard that he has a famiily crypt in a church in Lower Austria, but it's very difficult to locate!

According to Alois Jahn ("Das Haus Habsburg") Elias and his wife Archduchess Maria Anna were laid to rest at a place called Thalberger Schwaig / Neue Glashütte which is in the northwest of Friedberg in Austria. Their tombs seem to be in the chapel St. Ludwig.
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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #151 on: July 21, 2009, 02:17:50 AM »
This website (http://www.stift-vorau.at/65_Pfarre-Pinggau.aspx?LNG=de) calls the chapel "Prinz Bourbon-Parma Gruftkapelle auf der Thalberger Schwaig" (Prince Bourbon-Prama crypt at the Thalberger Schwaig).

Are you planning to visit Elias' grave?
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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #152 on: July 21, 2009, 09:02:47 AM »
Marie Charlotte, i thought that Elias, duke of Parma and his wife wrer buried in Mönichkirchen?

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #153 on: July 21, 2009, 10:09:11 AM »
Marie Charlotte, i thought that Elias, duke of Parma and his wife wrer buried in Mönichkirchen?

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Hello Remi,

according to the wikipedia entry of the village of Pinggau Elias and Maria Anna are buried in the so-called Prinz Bourbon-Parma-Gruftkapelle on the Thalberger Schwaig. Pinggau is located near a low mountain range called Wechsel and it has grown together with the city of Friedberg. As far as I understood it, the Thalberger Schwaig is on the mountain Wechsel and belongs to the parish of Pinggau. The village in the south of Pinggau is Mönichkirchen, but this doesn't seem to be the place where the Bourbon-Parmas were laid to rest.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #154 on: July 21, 2009, 12:23:20 PM »
Thank you very much, Marie Charlotte.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #155 on: August 30, 2009, 12:56:47 PM »
Hello everyone

  Brigitte, grafin af Holstein-Ledreborg died on august the 21st, she married Jacques of Bourbon, prince of Parma on june the 9° of 1947, he died on novembre the 5° of 1964, they had 3 children (2 boys and a girl)

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #156 on: September 02, 2009, 07:28:33 AM »
Princess Maria Cristina of Bourbon Parma died yesterday september the 1st in Vienna.She was the youngest daughter of Duke Elias 1st and Maria Anna of Austia. She was born in 1925 on 7 june.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #157 on: September 05, 2009, 08:29:51 PM »
It's been a few years since I participated in this forum.  It's been very interesting reading all of the posts pertaining to the Bourbon-Parma family and the Comte de Chambord.  Some of the information is misleading, however.  I will be in Viareggio and Lucca this fall to examine the remaining papers of the Comte de Chambord at the State Archives.  They were donated to the City in 1963 by the eldest daughter of Princesse Beatrice de Bourbon-Massimo.  Many of his papers were burned at his death in 1883;  Don Jaime de Bourbon inherited many interesting items and had everything at Schloss Frohsdord inventoried in 1910.  Many valuable items and papers were given to an acquaintance, Viscount Canson, just before WWI (including the handwritten memoir of Duchesse d'Angouleme in the Temple Tower), who took the papers out of Austria.  Later, after Don Jaime's death, the Pricesse Massimo (his sister) tried to get Canson to return everything---to no avail!  And then the Russians burned many things at Frohsdorf in 1945.  So many things are now lost forever.  I'm very interested in the story of the Comte de Chambord's journal----how did Mr. Delorme acquire it?  Where was the original found?

Welcome back Robert...I'll ask Philippe and post his answer here...enjoy Viareggio and Lucca...both beautiful places. I visited them often when I studied Italian in Florence, many Summers ago.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #158 on: September 18, 2009, 09:43:02 AM »
Hello everyone

  Brigitte, grafin af Holstein-Ledreborg died on august the 21st, she married Jacques of Bourbon, prince of Parma on june the 9° of 1947, he died on novembre the 5° of 1964, they had 3 children (2 boys and a girl)

Does anybody have any photos of the couple ?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #159 on: September 19, 2009, 01:30:57 AM »
Hello everyone

  Brigitte, grafin af Holstein-Ledreborg died on august the 21st, she married Jacques of Bourbon, prince of Parma on june the 9° of 1947, he died on novembre the 5° of 1964, they had 3 children (2 boys and a girl)

Does anybody have any photos of the couple ?
Thanks in advance.

Here's a photo with their wedguests. The picture had been posted at some other historical forum,sorry I don't remember where exactly.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrinceJaque_spouse_wedding_1947.jpg

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #160 on: September 26, 2009, 01:07:08 PM »
Many thanks, Sveta for the very interesting pic of Jacques et Brigitte's wedding. I would like to know who is the lady with the figure surrounded by a circle?
I recognize, on the right, the young Anne, future spouse of king Michel of Rumania et Michel of Bourbon Parma, in french uniform...Can be seen also Jean of Luxemburg, his uncle prince Xavier of Bourbon Parma, prince Georges of Greece....But the others? Difficult to say...

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #161 on: September 26, 2009, 02:16:09 PM »
Hello everyone

  Brigitte, grafin af Holstein-Ledreborg died on august the 21st, she married Jacques of Bourbon, prince of Parma on june the 9° of 1947, he died on novembre the 5° of 1964, they had 3 children (2 boys and a girl)



This pic was taken in 1970, near Copenhagen for the 75th anniversary of Margaret of Denmark, princess of René of Bourbon Parma
Standing, from left to right: Anne of Rumania; his brother, Michel of Bourbon Parma; Eric, son of Michel;
Lorraine, daughter of Jacques of Bourbon Parma (+ 1964) and  Brigitte of Holstein Ledreborg (+ on august the 21st 2009); Irina of Rumania; Philip of Bourbon-Parma and his mother Brigitte of Holstein Ledreborg; king Michel of Rumania; Inès of Bourbon Parma (+ in London in 1981), daughter of Michel of Bourbon Parma.
Seated, from left to right: prince Alain of Bourbon Parma, son of Jacques et Brigitte; Sibylle and Victoire de Bourbon Parma, daughters of Michel; the grandmother, Margaret of Denmark (+1992), widow prince René  of Bourbon Parma; Maria et Sofia of Rumania.   

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #162 on: September 26, 2009, 03:34:22 PM »
Prince Jacques of Bourbon-Parma & Countess Birgitte Holstein af Ledreborg
Held in the Chapel of Castle Ledreborg, Denmark

9th June 1947

Prince Rénè & Princess Margrethe of Bourbon-Parma
Count Josef & Countess Christina Holstein af Ledreborg
Prince Axel & Princess Margaretha of Denmark
Prince Georg of Denmark
Prince Flemming of Denmark
Prince & Princess Viggo, Count & Countess af Rosenborg
Prince George of Greece
Hereditary Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg
Crown Prince Olav & Crown Princess Märtha of Norway
Prince Michel of Bourbon-Parma
Prince André of Bourbon-Parma
Princess Anne of Bourbon-Parma
Grand Duchess Olga of Russia, Mme Koulikovsky & M. Nikolai Koulikovsky
Princess Ingeborg of Sweden, Duchess of Västergötland
Count Knud Holstein af Ledreborg

Two Luxembourg Princesses
Prince of Bourbon-Parma (Brother of Prince Rénè)

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #163 on: September 27, 2009, 06:01:12 AM »
Many thanks, Sveta for the very interesting pic of Jacques et Brigitte's wedding. I would like to know who is the lady with the figure surrounded by a circle?


That's GDss Olga Alexandrovna.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #164 on: September 29, 2009, 02:01:39 PM »

Here's a photo with their wedguests. The picture had been posted at some other historical forum,sorry I don't remember where exactly.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrinceJaque_spouse_wedding_1947.jpg


I have this I.D. list :

 Behind the bride and groom we have Prince René and Princess Margrethe of Bourbon-Parma - sitting between the bride's parents Countess Christina and Count Josef Holstein-Ledreborg.
The elegant lady to the extreme right is Cr Pss Märtha of Norway - and next to her it's the groom's younger siblings, Princess Anne and Prince Michel of Bourbon-Parma.
The man standing behind Anne of Bourbon-Parma is wearing the uniform of a Danish chamberlain. Don't know his name, but probably a noble landowner.
Behind him - in a light dress - we see Princess Margaretha of Denmark. Her husband and youngest son, Prince Axel and Prince Flemming, are seen to the right of her.
Behind the bride's mother there is a woman with a big hat...perhaps Princess Luise of Prussia (b. 1917).The uniformed man next to her is Prince Viggo of Denmark.
Behind Prince Viggo it's Princess Aage of Denmark, Prince George of Greece, Princess Ingeborg of Sweden, the priest, and Princess Viggo of Denmark.
Behind Pss Aage: Pss Elisabeth of Luxembourg, Pss M-Adelaïde of Luxembourg, maybe Pss Isabelle of B-Parma (dau of Sixtus), Hereditary Gr Duke Jean of Luxembourg, probably Count Carl Holstein-Ledreborg (brother of the bride), probably Pr André of B-Parma (brother of the groom), Pr Georg of Denmark, and Cr Pr Olav of Norway.
In the white circle: Grand Duchess Olga of Russia (she is singled out because the photo was printed with an article about the grand duchess).
To the right of Olga: Prince Erik of Denmark, and behind him Prince Xavier of Bourbon-Parma.
In the back row, far left: Probably Count Valdemar of Rosenborg and Count Knud Holstein-Ledreborg (brother of the bride).