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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2007, 05:35:14 PM »
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Elias & Maria Anna



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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2007, 06:50:50 PM »
The current head of the clan went through Elia's brother Prince Xavier. Xavier married Madeleine de Bourbon Busset. Madeleine was a member of the Bourbon-Busset family, a cadet branch of the House of Bourbon generally regarded as non-dynastic in France. The marriage to Madeleine was recognised as dynastic by the Carlist claimant to the throne of Spain, Alfonso Carlos, who was married to the sister of Xavier's mother, Infanta  Maria Neves of Portugal who had adopted Xaver as their heir. However, Elias - who was regent for their handicapped brother Enrico - did not recognise the marriage as dynastic regarding the succession to Parma. The reason was partially influenced by various political and family differences. During the 1920s and 1930s Elias and Xavier were on opposing sides of a family legal battle over the ownership of the Château de Chambord which had been confiscated by the French government on the basis that Elias was an enemy combatant, Elias having served in the Austrian army. Xavier had fought in the Belgian army (the queen of Belgium being his first cousin, her mother being Infanta Marie Jose of Portugal) and tried to get the government to at least turn the property over to him rather than losing it altogether. Elias had also recognised Alfonso XIII as constitutional king of Spain, in spite of the fact that his father Robert had supported the Carlist claimants and the bond that the younger Bourbon-Parmas (children of Infanta Maria Antonia) had to the Duke of San Jaime, Maria Neves's husband. Finally, in 1961 Elias' son Duke Robert II of Parma recognised the marriage between Xavier and Madeleine as dynastic regarding the succession to the ducal throne of Parma. Duke Robert II died in 1974 having never married and his younger brother, Francis, had also died a bachelor. Thus, Xavier's eldest son, Carlos Hugo (married Princess Irene of the Netherlands) is the current head of the family.   



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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2007, 08:06:15 PM »
Interestingly Elias was the claiment to the throne of Navarre through his French grandmother. Odd none of this family ever claimed the Principality of Andorra?

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2007, 08:21:34 PM »
The issue of the second marriage didn't do too badly. Grand duchess of Luxembourg, Empress of Austria-Hungary, son-in-law of king of italy and prince Valdemar of Denmark?

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2007, 07:16:32 PM »
A small correction...Prince Felix was created a Prince of Luxembourg...not a "Grand Duchess of Luxembourg." :-}

And yes the second set of children of Roberto I did fairly well (understatement!).


François Xavier = a Bourbon-Busset (with loads of property!)
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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2007, 07:02:54 AM »
Goodness I was only saving typing space....obviuosly we all know Prince Felix married the Grand Duchess or we wouldn't be on this site.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #66 on: January 25, 2008, 03:47:34 AM »
Its a shame he didnt spell his name with an I !
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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2008, 06:27:44 AM »
Are there some good portraits of two wives of Roberto - Maria Pia and Maria Antonia?
I was searching for portrait of Maria Pia for a long time, but did not find any portrait of her as adult and mother of twelve children...

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2008, 01:55:19 AM »
Wedding picture of Robert and Maria Pia.




Also I believe MarieCharlotte once had posted a picture of Maria Pia and her fisrt-born son...I wish I remembered in which thread...

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2008, 05:04:39 PM »
Svetabel, thanks for the picture of Maria Pia!
She looks strange...

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2008, 06:11:33 AM »
Svetabel, thanks for the picture of Maria Pia!
She looks strange...

Strange? IMO she just doesn't look pretty like her sisters.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2008, 06:13:21 AM »
One more picture of Roberto and Maria Pia


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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2008, 05:29:08 AM »
Adelaide was a nun at St Cecilia's Benedictine Abbey on Isle of Wight for a time in 1896. I presume she returned to Solesmes on the outbreak of War?

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2008, 04:56:16 PM »
Adelaide was a nun at St Cecilia's Benedictine Abbey on Isle of Wight for a time in 1896. I presume she returned to Solesmes on the outbreak of War?

You are referring to titular Queen D.Adelaide, Duke Robert's mother-in-law, née Princess of Loewenstein-Wertheim-Rosenberg.

With all her children married, in 1895 she joined the french benedictine convent of Saint Cecilia at Solesmes, as a novice Sister Adelaide de Bragança.
Two years later she took vows and became Mother Adelaide.
When religious institutions were prohibited in France, the convent moved to Ryde on the isle of Wight.
(D.Adelaide came from a very religious family; Her brother, the Prince of L-W-R also took vows in Germany after his wife's death)

In Ryde, she was visited by K.Edward VII and Q.Alexandra who, despite the close relation to D.Carlos, were curious to meet "the other Queen" of Portugal who had become a nun.

After the Regicide of 1908, Queen D.Adelaide wrote a letter of condolence to Q. D.Amélia who answered calling her "My dear Aunt".
The two Queens maintained correspondence until D.Adelaide's death in 1909.

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Re: Duke Roberto I of Parma, and his family of 24 children
« Reply #74 on: March 20, 2008, 05:24:30 PM »
Wedding picture of Robert and Maria Pia.



Also I believe MarieCharlotte once had posted a picture of Maria Pia and her fisrt-born son...I wish I remembered in which thread...

Thank you so much for this rare picture! Maria Pia was only 20 when she married, but she looks really old on this pic.

Did you think of this photo? It shows Maria Pia and her eleventh child Elie.

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