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Re: King Umberto II of Italy & Marie Jose
« Reply #345 on: August 02, 2013, 03:57:36 PM »
Queen Elena and Princess Maria José with Pope Pio XII:



Princess Maria José with Mussolini (1935):


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Re: King Umberto II of Italy & Marie Jose
« Reply #346 on: August 07, 2013, 09:48:47 AM »
I think it's really strange that King Albert I. and Queen Elisabeth allowed their eldest son Leopold (III.) to marry for love (Astrid of Sweden)
and said to the press "tell our people that this is a love match and nothing had been arranged",
and then push their only daughter Marie Jose in an arranged marriage with Umberto...

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« Reply #347 on: August 13, 2013, 05:39:15 AM »
The marriage of Maria Jose and Umberto was an arranged marriage, but Maria Jose love Umberto. Also Umberto love her, it's not true that the couple wasn't in love. Umberto and Maria José had deep admiration, respect and affection for one another, but Umberto seems to have had trouble relating to his wife romantically.

Umberto was always concerned and solicitous for his wife, but tended to be reserved and distant towards her. After the fall of the Italian monarchy and the exile of the Savoys, Maria José found  Portugal, the royal family's refuge, too depressing. She also had difficulty relating to her husband on a daily basis. While Maria José was much more open, Umberto tended to hide his feelings of deep sorrow and humiliation, to withdraw into silence. His wife came to believe that he needed space to deal with his inner turmoil. Accordingly, she moved to Switzerland, where she felt more cheerful.  Health reasons also contributed to her decision. The royal couple, however, always maintained cordial relations, and continued to visit one another. Umberto, who shared Maria José's cultural interests, assisted his wife with her prestigious historical research on the House of Savoy, and wrote her beautiful letters. Every month, he sent her a bouquet of red roses with an affectionate note. When Umberto was dying of cancer, his wife was at his side and they spent many tender hours together, holding hands.

There have been many rumors that Umberto was unfaithful, or even bisexual, but isn't true, because many of these claims seem to have been fomented by the fascists, who saw the handsome, popular young prince as a potential threat to Mussolini. It is also known that Umberto was deeply religious and Maria José praised him in the highest terms, after his death, as a man of great moral rectitude and personal virtue who never lost his dignity or rigor, even amidst the most atrocious sufferings.

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Re: King Umberto II of Italy & Marie Jose
« Reply #348 on: August 13, 2013, 01:35:47 PM »
I don't think Marie Jose had a chance to say "no" to Umberto..

Even as a girl she was told to marry him some day. That was the fault of her parents Albert & Elisabeth who pushed her towards Umberto.
Maybe she liked him, but I don't think it was love.

Marie Jose herself said about her marriage "We were never happy."
I think she told the truth.

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Re: King Umberto II of Italy & Marie Jose
« Reply #349 on: August 13, 2013, 02:22:35 PM »
I thought Maria Jose, in the first beggining, was in love with Amedeo III di Savoia-Aosta and vice versa 0_o

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Re: King Umberto II of Italy & Marie Jose
« Reply #350 on: August 13, 2013, 05:11:59 PM »
A couple of years ago, an italian TV series on Umberto and Maria José suggested there was some romance between the crown-princess and the duke of Aosta, but they did not explicit that MJ cheated on Umberto.

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Re: King Umberto II of Italy & Marie Jose
« Reply #351 on: August 14, 2013, 12:19:19 PM »
Yes, but it was a platonic romance. The Tv series was a great hit in Italy.

Here a rare pic of Maria Jose:


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« Reply #352 on: August 14, 2013, 03:28:32 PM »
Love to see the history series on the King & Queen...too bad you cannot get anything here in US...

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« Reply #353 on: August 16, 2013, 04:26:14 AM »
@Eric Lowe, are italian Kings and Queens popular in US?I don't know. I know the most popular Princess in US is Diana Spencer, Princess of Wales. I don't know for others.

Here in Italy, King and Queens of the House of Savoy are very popular, especially the Kings from Vittorio Emanuele II to Umberto II. For the Queens and Princesses of the House of Savoy  the most popular in Italy are Rosa Vercellana countess of Mirafiori, Maria Clotilde of Savoy the daughter of Vittorio Emanuele II, Queen Margherita, Queen Elena, Queen Maria Jose, Princess Mafalda. Also Princess Giovanna Tsarina of Buklgaria and Princess Jolanda are quite popular. Princess Maria, the sisters of Umberto II, was a very beautiful girl but today is not very popular in Italy.

Also the children of Umberto II and Maria Jose are very popular in Italy and in Europe.

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« Reply #354 on: August 16, 2013, 03:16:35 PM »
Hi Veu-1

Americans are very ignorant of Kings & Queens outside there sphere. I would love to get those series in DVD if they have subtitles. Want to get that one on Mafalda too.

If so, why would they not consider a restoration of the monarchy ?

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Re: King Umberto II of Italy & Marie Jose
« Reply #355 on: August 16, 2013, 04:08:48 PM »
The one of Mafalda is on Youtube. At least the last time i checked, it was there.

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Re: King Umberto II of Italy & Marie Jose
« Reply #356 on: August 17, 2013, 02:54:20 AM »
Hi Veu-1

Americans are very ignorant of Kings & Queens outside there sphere. I would love to get those series in DVD if they have subtitles. Want to get that one on Mafalda too.

If so, why would they not consider a restoration of the monarchy ?

No, the restoration is impossible. Kings, Queens and Prince, Princesses are popular especially for history and stories, or docu-fiction, but the new generation of House of Savoy is popular especially for the gossip magazine, when gossip magazine covers Savoy heirs or others Princes/Princesses of the world they sell very well.

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« Reply #357 on: August 17, 2013, 03:28:00 AM »
In other words they became celebs like J-LO, Kim Kardashian or Tom Cruise...

Thanks. Are those dramas in DVDs with subtitles ?

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« Reply #358 on: August 18, 2013, 06:04:08 AM »
Yes, all Royals and Princely family in the world in Italy are celebs like JLo, Kim Kardashian, Tom Cruise or Angelina Jolie.

The dvd of the movie Maria Jose l'ultima Regina is only in italian, unfortunately there isn't subtitles for what I know. The movie Mafalda Il Coraggio di una Principessa aired many times on television, but unfortunately there is not dvd for this movie in Italy.
I counsel you to watch both the movies because are very good movies.

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« Reply #359 on: August 18, 2013, 09:28:47 AM »
RAI website has the movie but only for italia. An spanish channel aired it on spanish, i saw it on youtube

Here s Mafalda movie, but in italian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aabS8G6YbWk

With Clotilde Coreau in it <3

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