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Re: Titles, orders, royal law, regalia & rituals of the Spanish monarchy
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2005, 03:46:13 PM »
Although the nobility/aristocracy has been technically abolished, the  IF still chooses it marriage partners from those same families.  The can be very high in  the civil service, industry,  etc. and society in general. Unlike Western "old" families, however, they keep a very discreet profile.They no longer have titles, but then again, they do not need them.
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2005, 09:00:53 AM »
Hi all!  :D

I was just wondering if someone could help with a little nagging question I have.

I know that King Juan Carlos' daughters, Infanta Elena and Infanta Cristina, are duchesses (Cristina is Duchess of Palma de Mallorca, I think, but I don't know about Elena). I think that their husband's hold the corresponding 'Duke' titles - i.e, Cristina's husband is Duke of Palam de Mallorca.

Mu question is, do Elena and Cristina hold these ducal titles in their own right, or were the titles conferred on their husbands? Does anyone know?

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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2005, 09:11:40 AM »


Elena is the Duchess of Lugo.


The titles were given to them by their father, and they belong exclusively to them. In fact, their husbands have no rights to use the title, but they do!
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2005, 09:20:23 AM »
Thanks Umigon.

So it seems that their husbands have the titles 'by courtesy' in an unofficial sense?

What are the official styles of Elena and Cristina? Is Elena, for example, HRH Infanta Elena, or is she HRH the Duchess of Lugo?

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2005, 09:22:58 AM »


I don't know what the official title is, but I have heard both things:

"Su Alteza Real la infanta Elena" or "Su Alteza Real la duquesa de Lugo". I think, however, that the official title must be the first one, as that title is more important than her duchy!
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2005, 09:30:01 AM »
Thanks again.

A silly question - if the Spanish for princess is 'Infanta', then what does 'Alteza' mean?

Has the eldest daughter of the Spanish Monarch ever been given their own title (like Princess Royal or Madam Royal, for example)?
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2005, 09:37:20 AM »
Alteza means Highness.Su Alteza Real,Her Royal Highness.
Umigon,both titles,Duques de Palma de Majorca y Duques de Lugo applie to both,not just Christina and Elena,but their husbands as well,since the day of their respective marriages. They were styled as such by His Majesty The King.
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2005, 09:39:57 AM »
Oooh, thanks Lucien.

BTW, wikipedia says Elena's official style is 'HRH The Infanta Elena'.

I wonder, does anyone have any info on the names of the two princesses? What are their full names, and why were they called such?
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2005, 09:43:08 AM »
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Alteza means Highness.Su Alteza Real,Her Royal Highness.
Umigon,both titles,Duques de Palma de Majorca y Duques de Lugo applie to both,not just Christina and Elena,but their husbands as well,since the day of their respective marriages. They were styled as such by His Majesty The King.

No, the titles do not apply to their husbands! I'll try to look if I can find where it said it, but it is that way. Other thing is that they use and no one complains about it. But the titles are newly created, nothing is said about them being shared by the consort of their owner. They have no "legal" right to use the title, but still they do.
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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2005, 09:46:19 AM »
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Has the eldest daughter of the Spanish Monarch ever been given their own title (like Princess Royal or Madam Royal, for example)?



Well, until the 18th century, if a daughter of the King was the heir apparent she would use the title "Infante", instead of "infanta". Even if they later had a little brother, who would supplant them in the Succession, they would always wear the title "infante", generally reserved to males. It is the most similar title I can find to those of Princess Royal and Madam Royal!
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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2005, 09:52:13 AM »
Thank you.

I believe that the Princess' husbands are styled 'His Excellency' and their children are styled 'His/Her Excellency'. This is unusual. Of course, under, say, English law, a child would derive his/her title from their father. If, indeed, Jaime and Inaki do not actually hold the ducal titles, then why are their children 'His/Her Excellency'?

Has it always been the case in Spain that when an Infanta married a man with not title on his own the childrenwere given titles?

Lastly, I believe that Prince Ferdinand of Bavaria, husband of Infanta Maria Theresa, daughter of Alfonso XII, was given the style 'Prince of Spain'. Was this only because his mother had been an Infanta too? Was this never considered for Jaime and Inaki?
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2005, 09:59:04 AM »
When a morganatic marriage has occurred between an infanta an a commoner, no titles have been given to their progeny as far as I know!

Ferdinand was given the style of "infante de España" because he was married to an infanta, but he renounced to his rights to the House of Bavaria first!
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2005, 10:02:23 AM »
Ok then. Any info on the names of the two princesses?
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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2005, 10:13:03 AM »
Su Alteza Real la Infanta Dona Elena,Maria,Isabel,Dominica de los Silos de Borbon y Grecia,and

Su Alteza Real la Infanta Dona Christina Federica de Borbon y Grecia.
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2005, 10:20:16 AM »
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No, the titles do not apply to their husbands! I'll try to look if I can find where it said it, but it is that way. Other thing is that they use and no one complains about it. But the titles are newly created, nothing is said about them being shared by the consort of their owner. They have no "legal" right to use the title, but still they do.


I add a link to the official website,if you click on either Jaime or Inaki,the captions beneath some pictures refer to Los Duques de Palma de Majorca,or,Los Duques de Lugo.One would expect an Official website to be correct,no?But then if you click and read the text to both,there is no mentioning of these titles :-/

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