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Re: Titles, orders, royal law, regalia & rituals of the Spanish monarchy
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2005, 10:21:33 AM »
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Su Alteza Real la Infanta Dona Elena,Maria,Isabel,Dominica de los Silos de Borbon y Grecia,and

Su Alteza Real la Infanta Dona Christina Federica de Borbon y Grecia.


Thanks Lucien. Now, I wonder where did these names come from? Is 'Cristina' perhaps in relation to Alfonso XIII's mother Maria Cristina? And what about 'Federica' and 'Dominica'?
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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2005, 10:23:28 AM »


Elena (for her mother's Greek origins), María, Isabel, Dominica de Silos (for the Saint of the day 20th December, San Domingo de Silos).

Cristina (for her godmother, Juan Carlos's aunt infanta María Cristina), Federica (for her grandmother Friederika of Hannover), Victoria (for her great-grandmother Viktoria of Prussia), Antonia (for the Saint of the day, Saint Anthony of Padua).
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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2005, 10:25:43 AM »
Muchos Gracias, Umigon!  :)

How about Elena and Cristina's children?
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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2005, 10:36:44 AM »


Elena's children:

Felipe (after his uncle Prince Felipe), Juan (after his great-grandfather don Juan), Froilán (the saint of the day), de Todos los Santos (a traditional "name" in Spanish Catholic families).


Victoria (for her great-great-grandmother Victoria of Prussia), Federica (for her great-grandmother Friederika of Hannover).

Cristina's children:

Juan (after both don Juan and King Juan Carlos), Valentín (don't really know why?), de Todos los Santos.

Pablo (after his great-grandfather, King Paul of Greece), Nicolás (could be after Nicholas of Greece (b.1969), but don't really know).


Miguel (i guess they liked the name).


Irene (after princess Irene of Greece).
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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2005, 10:38:45 AM »
Thanks Umigon. Not being Spanish, I think of 'Todos los Santos' being a name as decidedly odd. Just a culture thing I guess.
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« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2005, 10:41:13 AM »
Christina's children:
Juan Valentin de todos los Santos,the Juan obviously after grandpapa,and the todos los Santos,All Saints.

Pablo Nicholas,after CrownPrince Pavlos(as well as her maternal grandfather King Pavlos of Greece)
Nicholas after Prince Nicholas,her Greek nephew.

Irene,after Princess Irene,sister of Queen Sophia.

Elena:
Felipe Juan Froilan de Todos Los Santos,Felipe after the Prince of Asturias

Victoria Federica,the latter after Queen Frederika,the first after Queen Victoria Eugenia of Spain(or Duchess Victoria,grandmother of  Queen Sophia).
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« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2005, 10:41:15 AM »


Yes, that's why I put "name". It is a culture form of name, meaning "Of All Saints". However, Santos CAN be a name in Spanish!
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« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2005, 10:42:48 AM »
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Victoria Federica,the latter after Queen Frederika,the first after Queen Victoria Eugenia of Spain.



Yes, absolutely true! I had put Viktoria of Prussia, but I was being confused with the "Victoria" in infanta Cristina's name! Thanks, Lucien!
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« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2005, 10:43:34 AM »
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Yes, that's why I put "name". It is a culture form of name, meaning "Of All Saints". However, Santos CAN be a name in Spanish!


Gosh, can't imagine one of my names being 'of all Saints'.  ;D Well, all countries have their odd names I guess. Ireland is full of 'O's' and 'Mac's'.
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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2005, 10:47:17 AM »


In English-speaking countries it is quite common to name children after a surname and that would be really odd here in Spain!


Nowadays putting the 'Todos los Santos' or the 'Santísima Trinidad' (Holy Trinity, for a girl commonly) was very common about 30 years ago. Now not many people put those names. My mother and her sisters, for example, have that "de la Santísima Trinidad" after their names, and their brother's have the "de Todos los Santos"!


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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2005, 10:49:32 AM »
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Yes, absolutely true! I had put Viktoria of Prussia, but I was being confused with the "Victoria" in infanta Cristina's name! Thanks, Lucien!


We've post almost simultaniously... ;D

I think the Valentin might be a name referring to Inaki's family,more specific his maternal side,as his mother is of a Belgian noble family,Liebaert Courtain.

Umigon,Froilan is more of a basque name isn't it??
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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2005, 10:50:05 AM »
I wouldn't have thought that naming a child after a surname was common in an English speaking country. It's certainly not common here.  ???
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2005, 10:50:57 AM »
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Froilan is more of a basque name isn't it??


I thought this too! It sounds a little bit Irish, and Basque is said to resemble Irish and Scots Gaelic and Breton.
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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2005, 10:52:38 AM »


It is in the U.S, at least! I don't know really about Ireland, sorry if I ofended you, Prince! ;)



About the names, Froilán is not that Basque, it is just more medieval, at least here in Spain. It was quite common in the 11th, 12th and 13th centuries, then it just disappeared in most families!
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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2005, 10:53:30 AM »
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I thought this too! It sounds a little bit Irish, and Basque is said to resemble Irish and Scots Gaelic and Breton.



It is of Germanic origin and it means "The Lord that holds the Lands".
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