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Reply #90
« on: December 01, 2005, 11:05:47 AM »
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I don't think England was still considered "Defender of the faith" by the Popes after Elisabeth I came to the throne...


You are correct. The title of Fides Defensor was granted to Henry VIII by His Holiness Pope Leo X in 1521 for writing the book A Defence of the Seven Sacrements against the heresy of Martin Luther. Henry VIII was really quite an accomplished theologian and was familiar with Canon Law when he requested a Papal Dispensation in order to marry his elder brother's widow Catherine of Aragon. For some reason he forgot his Canon Law training when he tried to have this same marriage annuled after he moved heaven and earth to have the marriage in the first place.

Because Henry VIII rebeled against the supremacy of Papal authority, thus breaking his coronation oath, the pope revoked the title. Henry VIII had the title regranted by an Act of the English Parliament thus it was no longer a papal title when it was inherited by his usurping heretical bastard daughter.

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Reply #91
« on: December 01, 2005, 05:08:04 PM »
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The title of Catholic King was granted to King Carlos I in 1516 by His Holiness Pope Leo X.


I thought that the title was granted first to King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella I (the ones who unificated Spain, conquered Granada and were the sponsors of Colombus's travels) - they were called and are still known as Reyes Catolicos = Catholic Kings. Then the title passed to their heirs.

Am I right?
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Reply #92
« on: December 01, 2005, 07:47:58 PM »
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No you are not.

The use of Reyes Católicos by Isabela and Ferdinand was assumed rather than granted formally by the pope. It was however first used by His Holiness Pope Alexander VI in a 1493 bull congratulating the couple on their conquest of Granada and the expulsion of the Jews from Spain. The formal grant to Carlos I by a later pope was in honour of the services to the Catholic Church rendered by his grandfather King Ferdinand and Queen Isabela.

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« on: December 01, 2005, 11:00:18 PM »
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Something off the subject but I think it also belongs in the Spanish thread. Does the Queens of Spain traditionally recieves the golden rose by the vatican ? I know Ena got one, but not sure if Sofia recieved one as well.  Huh
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Reply #94
« on: December 02, 2005, 12:52:51 AM »
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The last lady to receive the Golden Rose as far as I know was HRH Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg in 1956. The last Queen of Spain to receive the Golden Rose was HM Queen Victoria Eugenia in 1925.

I too am curious as to why Queen Sofia has not received the Golden Rose from the pope just as I am curious as to why King Juan Carlos I has not received the Supreme Order of Christ or the Order of the Golden Spur. At this time the highest papal order that His Majesty holds is that of the Golden Collar of the Pian Order which he received from His Holiness Pope John Paul II in 1977.

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« on: December 05, 2005, 01:06:49 PM »
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I recently received a rather long message in Spanish listing many specific questions regarding the titles and styles of early Spanish monarchs and their children. I will try to answer these questions one or two at a time for all to read.

Serían de gran ayuda los COMPLETOS títulos de los RRCC, de Felipe y Juana , a ser posible en su forma original en latín. Ignoro la completa titulación de los hijos e HIJAS de Felipe y Juana ¿Archiduquesas, duquesas, infantas, princesas y los territorios de sus títulos antes de casarse.¿Exixtió el título archiduque de Borgoña? Tras la muerte de Felipe ¿Es Fernando rey o regente de Castilla?¿Fue Isabel de Avis reina de Castilla y Aragón?

English translation of the question:It would be of great asisstance to have the COMPLETE titles of the Catholic King and Queen, Felipe and Juana, if possible in their original Latin form. I ignored the complete qualification of the children and DAUGHTERS of Felipe and Juana Archduchesses, duchesses, infants, princesses and the territories of their titles before marry. Does it EXIST the title of Archduke of Burgundy? After the death of Felipe Is Fernando king or regent of Castile? Was Isabel of Avis queen of Castile and Aragon?

Ferdinand of Aragon combined his titles with those of his wife after their marriage. In 1481 he used the following titles: Ferdinandus Dei gracia Rex Castelle Aragonum Legionis Toleti Valenci Gallecie Maioricarum Hispalis Sardinie Cordube Murcie Giennis Algarbii Algezire Gibraltaris, comes Barchinone, dominus Vizcaye et Moline, Dux Athenarum et Neopatrie, comes Rossilionis et Ceritarie, Marchio Oristanni, comesque Gociani.

Here are the abbreviated titles of Juana and her son Carlos in Latin, probably taken from a seal or document: S. Johane et Karoli Dei Gra Regu Castelle Legionis Aragonu Utriusque Sicilie et Ihrlm Navarre et Granate etc Archiducu Austrie Ducum Burgundie et Brabancie etc Comitum Flandrie et Tirolis etc.

The English translation: Most Serene Juana and Carlos by the Grace of God Monarchs of Castile, Leon, Aragon both shores of Sicily and Jerusalem Navarre Granada etc Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgandy, and Brabant etc Count of Flandres and Tyrol etc.

There is no title of Archduke of Burgandy. The title of Duke of Burgandy is claimed by both King Juan Carlos of Spain and Archduke Otto of Austria-Hungary. The Grandmastership of the dual Orders of the Golden Fleece descends from their distant connections to the Duchy of Burgandy that now exists only as a historical footnote rather than an actual political division.


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« on: December 07, 2005, 04:23:11 PM »
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I'm new here but not really new to the subjects discussed here. It seems that when Royalty sparks your interest, it's impossible to stop being interested.

Well anyway to my question, Does anyone know what are the orders The King of Spain Juan Carlos is Head of and a member of? Golden Fleece is obvious but there are some other orders that I don't know about, because I see him with Stars on his uniform but I don't know what they're for.
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Reply #97
« on: December 07, 2005, 06:20:17 PM »
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SM Rey Juan Carlos I is the Grand Master and Perpetual Administrator by Apostolic Authority of the Four Spanish Military Orders: Alcantara, Calatrava, Santiago and Montesa. He is the Grand Master of the Order of the Golden Fleece, the Order of Carlos III, the Order of Isabel the Catholic, the Order of San Raimundo de Penafort and many others that might better be described as state orders rather than dynastic orders.



The Collar of the Military Order of Santiago



The Military Order of Montesa

See Edward Emering's site for more information on Spanish 20th century orders, decorations and medals: http://www.emering.com/medals/spain/

See Guy Stair Sainty's site for more information of the historical orders of Spain: http://www.chivalricorders.org/orders/spanish/index.htm

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Reply #98
« on: December 07, 2005, 11:12:48 PM »
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thanks that site is perfect Cheesy
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« on: May 17, 2006, 09:17:20 PM »
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ne of my second-most interest in royalty, because every royal family has one, is the orders of the family. What are the royal orders of Spain and when Juan Carlos is running around, what decorations of what order is he wearing?

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Reply #100
« on: May 18, 2006, 12:15:10 AM »
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The Spanish royal orders:

Order of the Golden Fleece
Order of Charles III
Order of Isabela the Catholic
Order of Alfonso X
Order of Marie Louise
Order of Saint Raimundo de Penafort
Order of Military Merit
Order of Naval Merit
Order of Aerial Merit
Order of Civil Merit
Order of Cultural Merit

The four ancient Spanish military orders:

Order of Alcantara
Order of Calatrava
Order of Santiago
Order of Montesa

I have probably left out a few orders dealing with the armed forces and general merit.

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Reply #101
« on: September 26, 2006, 04:45:49 AM »
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Infanta Elena and Jaime de Marichalar last night;

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1159259463&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1159259453&str...

Infanta Christina and Inaki;

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1159259497&str...
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Reply #102
« on: August 04, 2007, 07:34:54 AM »
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The Order of the Golden Fleece is the one the King and Prince Felipe wear the most. The Queen and Infantas wear the Order of Charles III.
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« on: November 27, 2008, 09:41:20 AM »
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... what titles do the descendants of Franco have?
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Reply #104
« on: November 27, 2008, 10:10:56 AM »
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His grand-mother is Duchess of Franco, a title that will pass to him via his mother, as Carmen eldest daughter.

Franco's wife was Señora de Meirás or del Pazo de Meirás, a title that belongs to Francisco Franco, eldest son of Carmen Franco and L-A's uncle

http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/franco.html

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