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The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« on: May 12, 2004, 04:23:57 PM »
Does anyone know what the Yousouppov palace on Moika is used for today?

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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2004, 05:20:01 PM »
The palace is today the palace of culture and education of workers, but i heard that it was a kind of private organization. It´s opened as a museum, and you have to pay separately for the suite of rooms you want to see. From my own experience i think they are trying to make as much money as possible from the palace. I´ll never forget the last time i was there. Our guide had to face with an old lady(may be the subdirector?), beacause that old lady said we have to go out of the palace. There was a group of tourist that had paid an enormous sum for visiting the palace privately and everyone should be out at that time. I sat in Felix and Irina´s ballroom in the ground floor, in one of the typical golden chairs, and watched the scene(my friend even took a photo of them, while pretending to be very interested on the room...). It was threatical. At last our guide won the battle and told us we could see the so called "Rasputin´s rooms", but that we must  do it quickly. We four had to go down the narrow staircase at express speed(yes, the same staircase that Felix went up and down so many times that terrible night of December) and run through the room with the wax figures. It was crazy. I still laugh to this day when remembering that. Well,other than the funny story, the fact is that we felt as if they were getting rid of us!

I only hope that my awful english grammar did not spoil the understanding...
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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2004, 05:23:46 PM »
Antonio,
Thank you, I understood what you wrote perfectly.  Another question I have - are there any of the treasures owned by the family still in the palace?  Or have most things been sent to different museums and/or sold?

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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2004, 05:32:19 PM »
There are some things and furniture. I think they are trying, with different level of succes i must say, to fill the rooms. The Yusupov collection was sold some years after the revolution.

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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2004, 11:50:30 AM »
Many years ago I read of Felix returning to his palace after the revolution to rescue paintings and other possesions, I believe he even liberated Marie Feodrovna's favourite portrait of Alexander III fom it's frame . On these expeditions Felix started :-/ concealing more treasures in newly created hidden rooms. Are these all accounted for, Could there still be artefacts held there?.
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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2004, 12:03:50 PM »
In a winter night of 1919 a group of komsomols headed by Pavel Usanov searched the palace. They found during the following days several hidden places, all covered with tiled walls. There were porcelain services, jewells, gold, almost 400 paintings and even Straudivarius and Amati violins. The bolchevik Eduard Essen catalogued these works of art.
No on could know if other hidden treasures could still remain in the palace...

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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2004, 12:39:58 PM »
I would imagine, that with the subsequent renovations over the years, any remaining "secrets" would have been revealed.
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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2004, 01:39:13 PM »
Felix actually did not take much with him from the Palace.  He cut 2 Rembrandt paintings out of their frames and took them. This was when he supervised the hiding of everything else. I am very certain that the Palace was gone over with a fine tooth comb, more than once over the years looking for anything else hidden. There is a famous photograph of all the silver found at the time Antonio mentioned, it is amazing to see. I'll post it if I can find it.

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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2004, 11:28:22 AM »
Those two silver swans are quite simply staggering!  Whatever jewellery Felix managed to spirit out of Russia it would seem that, judging by this photograph, a huge quantity was left behind.  There also seem to be a large quantity of empty settings - could these be the old ones that held Irina's jewels before they were reset?  Irina's fabulous Cartier rock crystal and diamond wedding tiara is clearly visible in this photo as is the Chaumet sunburst tiara that was remounted for Irina, using existing jewellery, in 1914.  There is a beautiful photograph of Irina wearing this tiara on p 230 of "Timeless Tiaras Chaumet from 1804 to the Present". She wears this piece low on her brow in the very latest fashion, more like a bandeau than a coventional tiara.  Sadly, it would seem that Irina had little time to enjoy her exquisite jewels as most of them seem to be on the table in this photograph.  Perhaps it was smaller pieces that Felix managed to take with him; after all tiaras and huge silver swans are rather hard to conceal about one's person......
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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2004, 12:03:17 PM »
What about the gold and silver settings for a Thousand people that Felix talks about in "Lost Splendor", Does anyone know what happened to those?.Somehow, I expected to see more silver ansd Gold settings... Also, if  most of The Yussupov Jewells were left behind in Russia, Does this pictures  show all that was found? Somehow, I had the idea that a lot more was found...

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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2004, 12:49:41 PM »
The silver flatware was partially melted down, and partially sold at auction in small groups.  A set of this flatware came up for sale at Christie's a few months ago, and the Hillwood museum has several pieces.

Though Irina's rock crystal tiara may well be among the objects in this picture, the Sunburst tiara is not -- it was in Paris with Chaumet during the Revolution, and belonged to Princess Yusupov in he twenties and thirties; she was often photographed in it.  I don't know where it is now.

The tiara in the front pf the photo is one of the "Lover's knot" tiaras so popular in the mid-nineteenth century.  Queen ELizabeth's "Duchess of Cambridge" tiara is very similar.  The Yusupov version canbe seen in the WInerhalter portrait of Zinaida Yusupova's mother at the Hermitage.  


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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2004, 11:52:00 AM »
I'm curious about the silver swans....do they still exist or were they melted down.....That is one large hunk of silver!!!

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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2004, 01:12:38 PM »
I believe the famous silver swans by Faberge were melted down.  I have never seen or heard of references to them after that image.  Then again, they may be out there!  Keep your eyes peeled!

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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2004, 04:44:30 PM »
Wouldn't that be something.....finding the silver swans in a junk shop!!!   :o

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Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2004, 08:54:29 AM »
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I am sure that you are probably correct in what you say about Irina's Chaumet tiara.  However the photo of the Bolsheviks examining the Youssoupov jewellery, which was published on the 25th July 1925, is reproduced as a double page in Geoffrey Munn's "Tiaras A History Of Splendour" (pp322-323).
Geoffrey Munn states quite authoritatively the following on p321.
"A total of twelve tiaras are still on their frames and others may have been dismantled to form necklaces.  Amongst them is the Cartier rock crystal tiara.  The Youssoupov lover's knot tiara is in the foreground and the Chaumet Sunburst tiara lies upside down, in the centre.  At the back is a delicate lattice work diadem set with large brilliant-cut diamonds, probably by Faberge.  To the right is the emerald and diamond stomacher designed by Chaumet for Princess Irina on her honeymoon in Paris in 1914."

The quality of the photograph that is reproduced in Geoffrey's book is the clearest reproduction that I have ever seen; the object that he identifies as the Chaumet tiara is virtually identical to the one that Irina is wearing low on her brow in the wonderful profile photo.  I would love to see the later photos of Irina wearing the tiara so that maybe his theory can be disproved - can you help?
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