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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2006, 04:48:25 PM »
I'm sorry I have no information for what you've asked...

Do you know if it is true they had a daughter...was it after Fernando became a widower? Did they recognise the child?

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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2006, 04:55:48 PM »
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What sort of information and photobiography is there available regarding D. Fernando and the Countess of Edla? I've been doing some research but haven't been very successful...


I know about an on-line photobiography regarding Fernando II and the Countess of Edla but you must to pay to see it.
If you are willing to pay, send me a private message.

And NO, I'm not the owner of the photos!  ;)
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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2006, 05:02:32 PM »
When Fernando died there was a scandal because he made Edla the great heiress of his wealth...he gave her including the Pena Palace in Sintra...the public opinion went mad...King Luis ended up buying the Palace to the Countess...

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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2006, 05:05:13 PM »
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Do you know if it is true they had a daughter...was it after Fernando became a widower? Did they recognise the child?

Yes it is true.

Fernando II and Elisa had a daughter called Alice Hensler, born in 1855 and died in 1941.

Alice was born when Fernando was a widower but before he married to Elisa, which happened only in 1869, when Alice was 14 years-old!!!

About the recognition I don't know nothing. Sorry.
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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2006, 05:09:02 PM »
Thank you very much for your reply Grand Duke  ;)

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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2006, 05:28:39 AM »
Grand Duke,

I'm very interested in the website. Can you please send me the weblink?

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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2006, 11:44:38 AM »
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Fernando II and Elisa had a daughter called Alice Hensler, born in 1855 and died in 1941.

Alice was born when Fernando was a widower but before he married to Elisa, which happened only in 1869, when Alice was 14 years-old!!!

About the recognition I don't know nothing. Sorry.


The story concerning this daughter is rather suspicious.
Some pretend she was D. Fernando's daughter, other say she was the offspring of another liaison.
The fact that the child did not carry D.Fernando's name might emply that he did not recognize her (would she be his daughter or not).

Do you know when did Elisa irts came to Portugal ?
If the child was born in 1855, that would be just two years after Q. D.Maria's death.

I know the story of a daughter of Elise living in Parede (or Paço de Arcos ?) next to the famous rock house over the Marginal route. That house was destroyed in the 50/60s.

Another interesting place would be the "Chalet da Condessa" in the Pena Park in Sintra.
It was abandonned for ages and menacing to fall apart.
A couple of years ago it burnt/was set fire to. At the time it was said that an occultist/satanic group used to meet there.

After the fire the local authorities promised to rebuild it, but I never heard anything after.
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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2006, 12:24:58 PM »
I had no ideia that the 'Chalet da Condessa' had burned down. It doesn't suprise me, as there still are many properties in and around the Serra de Sintra that have been left to rot....
Are there any pictures of the interior?

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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2006, 01:31:08 PM »


Elisa Hensler as "Oscar" in Verdi's opera "Un Ballo in Maschera" (Lisbon, 1860).
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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2006, 01:34:17 PM »
Was she a good actress ?  ???

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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2006, 02:19:12 PM »
No, I couldn't find any pictures of the Chalet, only a few interesting articles (and the same picture that the Grand-Duke posted).

Answering my own question ;D one of the sites refers that Elisa Hensler first presentation in Portugal was in 1860.
I am not sure if D. Fernando travelled a lot between D. Maria's death and 1855. ::)
After all, he was Regent for D. Pedro V

http://jn.sapo.pt/2005/12/06/grande_lisboa/chalet_condessa.html

http://www.parquesdesintra.pt/info/newsletter_02.htm

http://www.cm-sintra.pt/Artigo.aspx?ID=3446&print=1            
http://bnd.bn.pt/ed/verdi/iconografia/146.html                    
http://genealogia.netopia.pt/pessoas/pes_show.php?id=21770

http://www.asamnet.de/~ohmhartm/d0001/g0000049.html#I3936
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I had no ideia that the 'Chalet da Condessa' had burned down. It doesn't suprise me, as there still are many properties in and around the Serra de Sintra that have been left to rot....
Are there any pictures of the interior?




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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2006, 02:20:30 PM »
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Was she a good actress ? †???


D. Fernando was a great fan of her  ::) :-* ;D

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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2006, 02:21:50 PM »
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one of the sites refers that Elisa Hensler first presentation in Portugal was in 1860.
I am not sure if D. Fernando travelled a lot between D. Maria's death and 1855. ::)


Yes, I also found that date as the year Elisa arrived to Portugal.
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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2006, 02:26:41 PM »
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Was she a good actress ? †???


She must have been famous because Prince Ernst II of Saxe gave her the title of "Countess of Edla".

Some sites say that she already had the title when she arrived to Portugal, others say that she was named Countess only when she married Fernando.

Does anybody know more about her title?

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Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2006, 03:35:51 PM »
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Are there any pictures of the interior?

Don't worry: The Grand Duke of Lipton-upon-Avon has found a website with the outside, interiors and even plans photos of the Chalet. Follow the link: Chalet of Countess of Edla.
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